The biogeographic evidence for evolution

[BilliardsBall]

Can you please stop repeating this? Aristotle (384-322 BC) demonstrated about 2350 years ago that the Earth is spherical, and all educated people since then have accepted the sphericity of the Earth. If you can cite any scientist or academic (not a priest or a theologian) who lived during the last 2000 years and who said that the Earth was flat, I will withdraw this post.

News flash: The Bible said the Earth is spherical prior to Aristotle confirming the work of Eratosthenes.

News flash: Columbus was warned of the danger of circumnavigating a flat Earth and falling off the side to be eaten by demons.

News flash: There was no church and state separation in the medieval period into the Renaissance and ALL the academicians were theologians, and like many skeptics, untutored in the Bible or they'd KNOW the Earth is a spheroid!

 

[SkepticThinker]

What? You didn't realize scientists asserted aboriginals were beneath other humans before DNA testing came to the fore? You think academia only asserts things empirically proven? Guess you've never attended a philosophy or psychology conference!

I didn't ask for you to repeat your claims again and attempt to demean me. I've heard your claims before and have already asked for evidence for them.
I'm now aware of scientists who "empirically determined some humans are lower than others" hence the reason I asked for a reference from you.

And you didn't know the prevailing wisdom was the Earth is flat? It was certainly so when Oxford was founded! And just as scientists continually seek to refine the body of knowledge, as they do, they find more and more that science aligns with the Holy Bible.

No, not at all. When was it the "prevailing wisdom" in the science community that the earth is flat?

Are you referring to what the people who wrote the Bible believed? The Dark Ages?

 

[SkepticThinker]

News flash: The Bible said the Earth is spherical prior to Aristotle confirming the work of Eratosthenes.

News flash: Columbus was warned of the danger of circumnavigating a flat Earth and falling off the side to be eaten by demons.

News flash: There was no church and state separation in the medieval period into the Renaissance and ALL the academicians were theologians, and like many skeptics, untutored in the Bible or they'd KNOW the Earth is a spheroid!

Your belief about Columbus is mythology. You really think people with any experience sailing the world actually thought that the Earth was flat? Maybe if they were incredibly stupid, I guess.

Busting a myth about Columbus and a flat Earth

By Valerie Strauss
October 10, 2011

If you learned in school that Christopher Columbus sailed from Spain in 1492 and crossed the Atlantic Ocean, disproving a common belief in those days that the Earth was flat, then the lesson was wrong.

Historians say there is no doubt that the educated in Columbus’s day knew quite well that the Earth was not flat but round. In fact, this was known many centuries earlier.

As early as the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras — and later Aristotle and Euclid — wrote about the Earth as a sphere. Ptolemy wrote “Geography” at the height of the Roman Empire, 1,300 years before Columbus sailed, and considered the idea of a round planet as fact.


“Geography” became a standard reference, and Columbus himself owned a copy. For him, the big question was not the shape of the Earth but the size of the ocean he wanted to cross.

During the early Middle Ages, it is true that many Europeans succumbed to rumor and started believing that they lived on a flat Earth.

But Islamic countries knew better and preserved the Greek learning. By the late Middle Ages, Europe had caught up and in some cases surpassed the knowledge of ancient Greece and medieval Islam.

Several books published in Europe between 1200 and 1500 discussed the Earth’s shape, including “The Sphere,” written in the early 1200s, which was required reading in European universities in the 1300s and beyond. It was still in use 500 years after it was penned.

So how did it become common thought in the 20th century that people in the 15th century believed the Earth was flat?

In a 1991 book, “Inventing the Flat Earth,” retired University of California professor Jeffrey Burton Russell explains how the myth was perpetuated in the 1800s by writers including Washington Irving and Antoinne-Jean Letronne.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-a-flat-earth/2011/10/10/gIQAXszQaL_blog.html
https://www.history.com/news/christopher-columbus-never-set-out-to-prove-the-earth-was-round

 

[Audie]

Okay? Hmm how do I have two user names running simultaneously, and you saw through them.

Chinese are smart

 

[dad]

Chinese are smart

So are whites.

 

[Astrophile]

News flash: The Bible said the Earth is spherical prior to Aristotle confirming the work of Eratosthenes.

Where does it say so? How was Aristotle (384-322 BC) able to confirm the work of Eratosthenes (ca. 275-194 BC)? To save time, I should explain that in my opinion Isaiah 40 is a proclamation of the supremacy of Yahweh over the whole world and not merely over Israel; it is not a dissertation on the shape of the Earth.

News flash: Columbus was warned of the danger of circumnavigating a flat Earth and falling off the side to be eaten by demons.

Who warned him? Please cite your source.

News flash: There was no church and state separation in the medieval period into the Renaissance and ALL the academicians were theologians, and like many skeptics, untutored in the Bible or they'd KNOW the Earth is a spheroid!

The first part of this is probably true, but if you knew about the history of science you would know that mediaeval and Renaissance academicians were well aware of the sphericity of the Earth. See the Prologue and Chapter 1 of Christine Garwood's book Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea (Macmillan, 2007), and Skeptic Thinker's posts 982 and 983.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So are whites.

Except when they live in trailers of the species white Homo Trailer Trashius.



/has only had 3 hours of sleep due to 3-weeks old newborn crybaby, humour level may be affected

 

[dad]

Except when they live in trailers of the species white Homo Trailer Trashius.

Racist eh?

/has only had 3 hours of sleep due to 3-weeks old newborn crybaby, humour level may be affected

Let's hope the kid grows up rich and doesn't have to live in a rice paddy or trailer I guess.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Racist eh?

??

Maybe you should learn what the word "racist" means.

Let's hope the kid grows up rich and doesn't have to live in a rice paddy or trailer I guess.

Well some people can't take a joke based on a stereotype...

In any case, a proper education will give the kid all the tools required to make something of herself.

 

[Audie]

Racist eh?


Let's hope the kid grows up rich and doesn't have to live in a rice paddy or trailer I guess.

Funny

 

[Audie]

Except when they live in trailers of the species white Homo Trailer Trashius.



/has only had 3 hours of sleep due to 3-weeks old newborn crybaby, humour level may be affected

Species name is not capitalized.

 

[dad]

??

Maybe you should learn what the word "racist" means.

Talking about trailer trash in the US compared to the 'smart Chinese' is racist.

Well some people can't take a joke based on a stereotype...

Doesn't bother me at all. I can do that to with all sorts of races. But it is illegal and considered hate speech by many, so I try to be careful about that sort of thing generally.

In any case, a proper education will give the kid all the tools required to make something of herself.

A proper education includes God.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Talking about trailer trash in the US compared to the 'smart Chinese' is racist.

No, it isn't.
"Trailer trash" is not a race. It's rather a stereotype / meme.

Doesn't bother me at all. I can do that to with all sorts of races.

Again, people that live in trailers aren't some seperate "race".
Where people live doesn't have any impact on what their race is.

But it is illegal and considered hate speech by many

It's illegal to joke about trailer trash?
Where? Trailer central?

, so I try to be careful about that sort of thing generally.

Maybe try to exert the same caution in what you are going to accept as Truth, capital T, for what reason. It would serve you better.

A proper education includes God.

No it does not.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Far better than you do. The scientists that warned Columbus were right. Columbus was wrong.

You do not know how badly you just shot yourself in the foot again.

The prevailing wisdom was the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded. Columbus was warned about avoiding any attempt to circumnavigate the globe because there was no separation between academe and religion, and the Earth was thought flat with demons off its edge because the religious DID NOT read or study the Bible as they should have.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Where does it say so? How was Aristotle (384-322 BC) able to confirm the work of Eratosthenes (ca. 275-194 BC)? To save time, I should explain that in my opinion Isaiah 40 is a proclamation of the supremacy of Yahweh over the whole world and not merely over Israel; it is not a dissertation on the shape of the Earth.



Who warned him? Please cite your source.



The first part of this is probably true, but if you knew about the history of science you would know that mediaeval and Renaissance academicians were well aware of the sphericity of the Earth. See the Prologue and Chapter 1 of Christine Garwood's book Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea (Macmillan, 2007), and Skeptic Thinker's posts 982 and 983.

I'm open to much of what you wrote except your (miracle?) knowledge that God wanted Isaiah to ONLY declare Yahweh's supremacy over Earth in an entire chapter of the Bible, rather than adding prophecy, gematria, exhortation, encouragement, and another of the many biblical scientific accuracy references.

You said it's your opinion, I tell you I attend fellowship with people who take mighty encouragement from the promises and principles in Isaiah 40.

 

[tas8831]

The prevailing wisdom was the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded.

Was it also prevailing wisdom that under the direction of the nervous system, enzymes catalyze the release of bacteria from the appendix?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The prevailing wisdom was the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded. Columbus was warned about avoiding any attempt to circumnavigate the globe because there was no separation between academe and religion, and the Earth was thought flat with demons off its edge because the religious DID NOT read or study the Bible as they should have.

Did you not read my post on this?
You are spreading fables and myths here (in regards to flat earth).



Where does the Bible say the earth is a sphere, by the way?

 

[tas8831]

Where does the Bible say the earth is a sphere, by the way?

Circle, sphere, whatever.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Circle, sphere, whatever.

Yeah, those aren't different, right?

 

[tas8831]

Yeah, those aren't different, right?

I do wonder where the "four corners" fits in with that?

I find it odd that the authors of the OT knew about the 'four points' of the compass rose - they were not well known for their maritime activities, etc., and according to a quick Google (which means I have all the answers), parts of the OT that contain references to 'four corners' of the earth were written generally in the 500+ BC range, whereas the first compasses were not in use for hundreds of years later.