Evolution My ToE

[tas8831]

“they do no lab work”

Another polemic statement.
I know for a certainty that Dr. Douglas Axe conducts much lab work, testing many hypotheses.

Wow, he sure does.

Look at all of the -pro-ID research churned out by top-notch ID scientists:

Vol 2019

AMAZING! 3 whole "research" articles for the ENTIRE YEAR (2019)!

Can't complain about 'censorship' - this is the flagship Intelligent Design creationism science journal!

But I digress -



You must have missed this:

There is not one shred of evidence, or even the most basic logic, that suggests that somehow "micro-evolution" miraculously stops before hitting "macro-evolution".

Sure there is! Apoptosis...

Color me intrigued:


Please explain, without paraphrasing or plagiarizing a YEC/OEC website, and support with documentation, how apoptosis is a logical/real barrier between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution.

And please start by defining microevolution and macroevolution - but be forewarned, macroevolution is not an event, despite a tendency for many creationists to indicate that it is.

 

[tas8831]

How about some peer reviewed papers. The anti-evolution side has a disgraced scientist and a non-scientist. What authority do they have in this debate?

I won't waste time on "debate" videos, but I do wonder if the creationists bring up their new/old nonsense about 'not enough mutations'...

 

[Subduction Zone]

I won't waste time on "debate" videos, but I do wonder if the creationists bring up their new/old nonsense about 'not enough mutations'...

I listened to part of it and it is not bad. Unfortunately the creationists as usual had their rear ends handed to them.

And you were right on that the two liars were the creationists. It is amazing that creationists do not call out those on their side when they are caught lying. But then they know from experience that they lose any honest debate.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

“Why did the Cambrian explosion happen when it did, and why was it such a unique event? While there is no current consensus among scientists, most researchers agree the explosion cannot be ascribed to a single, simple causal mechanism. The potential triggers can be classified in three main categories: environmental, genetic, and ecological. Deciphering the impact of each of these factors remains one of the most important challenges faced by palaeontologists today.”
— The Cambrian Explosion - Origin of Animals and the Cambrian Explosion - Science - The Burgess Shale

“Debunked”, eh?

If you read that quote carefully, you'll notice something....

That something, is that all scientists agree that the cambrian explosion happened.
Which means that they agree that many of the main branches of life, phyla, evolved in a geologically short period of time, from 40 to 80 million years.

The "disagreement" (quotes because it's not so much that they "disagree", it's rather that there are still open questions and unknowns), is about what exact circumstances were at play which made it possible.


But again, there's no disagreement concerning the fact that it happened.
All the evidence, shows it happened.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If I had to guess, I would say your blatant dishonesty followed by the naked arrogance of being dishonest followed by the denial of the dishonesty.

But perhaps it is just me?

Well, it's definatly not you.
I noticed the same thing, as I'm sure others did as well.

 

[tas8831]

Yeah, right....
Why are you afraid to examine the evidence?

If it truly had “been debunked decades ago,” there wouldn’t be such problems explaining it....

“Why did the Cambrian explosion happen when it did, and why was it such a unique event? While there is no current consensus among scientists, most researchers agree the explosion cannot be ascribed to a single, simple causal mechanism. The potential triggers can be classified in three main categories: environmental, genetic, and ecological. Deciphering the impact of each of these factors remains one of the most important challenges faced by palaeontologists today.”
— The Cambrian Explosion - Origin of Animals and the Cambrian Explosion - Science - The Burgess Shale

“Debunked”, eh?

Let me try:

“Why did the Cambrian explosion happen when it did, and why was it such a unique event? While there is no current consensus among scientists, most researchers agree the explosion cannot be ascribed to a single, simple causal mechanism. The potential triggers can be classified in three main categories: environmental, genetic, and ecological. Deciphering the impact of each of these factors remains one of the most important challenges faced by palaeontologists today.”


So weird that merely highlighting things other than you chose to shines a very different light on the issue.

Also, of note, unlike creationism, real science actually, you know, tries to find things out:


What sparked the Cambrian explosion?

 

[tas8831]

You’ve provided nothing of substance on that subject! “Previous life existed”...no kiddin! It’s all special pleading.

special pleading
You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your claim was shown to be false.
Humans are funny creatures and have a foolish aversion to being wrong. Rather than appreciate the benefits of being able to change one's mind through better understanding, many will invent ways to cling to old beliefs. One of the most common ways that people do this is to post-rationalize a reason why what they thought to be true must remain to be true. It's usually very easy to find a reason to believe something that suits us, and it requires integrity and genuine honesty with oneself to examine one's own beliefs and motivations without falling into the trap of justifying our existing ways of seeing ourselves and the world around us.


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There is not one shred of evidence, or even the most basic logic, that suggests that somehow "micro-evolution" miraculously stops before hitting "macro-evolution".

Sure there is! Apoptosis...

Huh....

Now THAT looks more like special pleading to me....

 

[tas8831]

I too am intrigued. I would also like to see how sexual selection Is evidence against evolution as he claims.

I cannot wait to the nothing he will dazzle us with.

Weird that they can come up with lengthy post after lengthy post of quotes supposedly supporting their anti-evolution rhetoric on a whim, yet when asked to specifically address one of their own claims....

crickets...

 

[tas8831]

Seems that peer review is having problems.
Science Is Suffering Because of Peer Review’s Big Problems

wow, golly, I guess that means ancient middle eastern tall tales are 100% true....

 

[tas8831]

I put a link, I believe, to one article referring to the problematic situation of peer review. But here it is again from the New Republic, I don't now if it's a "creationist" magazine, perhaps you've heard of the magazine, it's pretty popular:
Science Is Suffering Because of Peer Review’s Big Problems
That's just one journal mentioning the real problem with peer review. There are more. So peer review doesn't sway me.

Yes, there are issues with peer review.

Yet even a flawed system is head and shoulders above merely accepting the veracity of things because it jibes with your worldview.

And now that I see and understand and moreover, believe what Genesis says, I no longer believe in evolution as natural selection, that's for sure.)

So, you admit to believing things solely because it fits your beliefs.

Got it.

 

[nPeace]

At this point I am done.

Thank you. There goes discussing one thing at a time with something specific, other than just mere claims.

 

[nPeace]

If you want to discuss this apologize and try again. I get tired of rudeness and arrogance.

Really? I didn't get that impression from your constantly repeating it.
I'm glad though, because I no longer have to bear with it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thank you. There goes discussing one thing at a time with something specific, other than just mere claims.

Please rudeness and ignorance are a bad combination. If you do not understand something ask when it is posted. Don't expect others to do your homework for you and dig up old posts.

And you have to know what a Gish Gallop is, either that or you are extremely lazy. I am pretty sure that @Audie has berated you for that abuse in the past.

Getting smug because you got caught being lazy is rather foolish behavior.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Really? I didn't get that impression from your constantly repeating it.
I'm glad though, because I no longer have to bear with it.

Try being polite if you want answers. I know it must be frustrating being wrong all of the time, but there is a cure for that. It is called "education" .

 

[Audie]

Try being polite if you want answers. I know it must be frustrating being wrong all of the time, but there is a cure for that. It is called "education" .

Stick to discussion of factoids ifn ya want to set a example

 

[Audie]

wow, golly, I guess that means ancient middle eastern tall tales are 100% true....

In science we'd call that a proven theory.

 

[Audie]

Weird that they can come up with lengthy post after lengthy post of quotes supposedly supporting their anti-evolution rhetoric on a whim, yet when asked to specifically address one of their own claims....

crickets...

It might be coz them creos go te quote mine central
and cur n paste, have no idea of what they are talking about?

or want, is this news of the rather well known..?

 

[Audie]

Wow, he sure does.

Look at all of the -pro-ID research churned out by top-notch ID scientists:

Vol 2019

AMAZING! 3 whole "research" articles for the ENTIRE YEAR (2019)!

Can't complain about 'censorship' - this is the flagship Intelligent Design creationism science journal!

But I digress -



You must have missed this:



Color me intrigued:


Please explain, without paraphrasing or plagiarizing a YEC/OEC website, and support with documentation, how apoptosis is a logical/real barrier between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution.

And please start by defining microevolution and macroevolution - but be forewarned, macroevolution is not an event, despite a tendency for many creationists to indicate that it is.

He can explain how quick frozen mammoths are proof of
the flood, so, I expect he can explain this too.

 

[metis]

Of course I am against falsely called science. Does not the same Bible you claim to read, yet oppose, tell you this is what you should do? (1 Timothy 6:20)

Except this is how it actually reads in more direct English:
[20]O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, ...

IOW, the word "science" wasn't known back then even in Hebrew or Greek, nor was there any such word for it. It seems that the Bible your leaders have you using has a rather clear-cut "agenda".

When it comes down to the fireworks, it will be unquestionably clear, in whom, or what, we put our trust.
I'm reminded of 2 Kings 18:21.

That fine as far as faith is concerned, and I read the scriptures 7 days a week. But the scriptures simply are not objectively-derived statements of evidence that is the basis for science. Likewise, science doesn't help us with our faith per se.

IOW, they cover different areas and use different techniques.

I don't mind responding to people at all, but when persons get all defensive and annoyed, when someone disagrees with their statements, it's hard to know what to say to that person.

Sorry that I get "fired up" at times. Even this doesn't justify my harsh words as this is something that hits me to my very core because of how I grew up in the past and how so very difficult is was for me to abandon the fundamentalist church I grew up in and loved. But the simple fact is that I was being lied to, and when I realized as such, I had no choice but to leave that church. And this wasn't the only area where they were lying to us, btw.

Anyhow, sorry for my being so direct and rude, so please accept my apology.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You JW 's allowed to drink beer? Any favorites? I have grown fond of some of the Belgian, British, and a few German brews.

Yeah! In moderation.

H(some "reasoning" on the Scriptures, about that topic: Jesus' first recorded miracle was turning water into wine. It makes no sense to then say, we shouldn't enjoy some from time to time!
But the Bible does condemn drunkenness.
If you put it together....enjoy, to a point.
OK, enough of that!)

There for a while, I was getting into Killian's Red, I really like the Amber beers.
I've got a Yuengling Amber in my fridge now.

You like the stouts? You mentioned British beer...reminded me of Guinness.