Some ways of misusing religious scriptures, and research reports, look the same to me

[Jim]

NOTE: If you want to respond to this by discussing differences between science and religion, that’s okay with me, but it won’t be relevant to what I’m saying. I’m not comparing science and religion. I’m comparing how people misuse research reports sometimes, and how they misuse religious scriptures sometimes.

One way that I see people misusing research reports, and religious scriptures, sometimes, is by imagining those writings saying things that they want them to say, to validate their prejudices, animosities and hostilities across imaginary lines defined by what people believe and don’t believe.

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

 

[Darkforbid]

'I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.'

Post one example of religious scripture misuse and one example of scientific research misuse

 

[SalixIncendium]

NOTE: If you want to respond to this by discussing differences between science and religion, that’s okay with me, but it won’t be relevant to what I’m saying. I’m not comparing science and religion. I’m comparing how people misuse research reports sometimes, and how they misuse religious scriptures sometimes.

One way that I see people misusing research reports, and religious scriptures, sometimes, is by imagining those writings saying things that they want them to say, to validate their prejudices, animosities and hostilities across imaginary lines defined by what people believe and don’t believe.

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

I think you may be comparing apples to oranges. Scientific "research reports" are pretty black and white in the information they provide, whereas many religious scriptures leave quite a it open to interpretation.

Therefore, the latter is much more subject to "misuse," or more accurately, 'misinterpretation' than the former.

 

[stvdv]

NOTE: If you want to respond to this by discussing differences between science and religion, that’s okay with me, but it won’t be relevant to what I’m saying. I’m not comparing science and religion. I’m comparing how people misuse research reports sometimes, and how they misuse religious scriptures sometimes.

One way that I see people misusing research reports, and religious scriptures, sometimes, is by imagining those writings saying things that they want them to say, to validate their prejudices, animosities and hostilities across imaginary lines defined by what people believe and don’t believe.

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

Interesting point. Obviously this so called "misuse" happens on both sides, as both sides are "just humans" who need to learn stuff.

IMO: I don't see it as misusing when you interpret (imagine) writings say things you want them to say. This just means you have a problem with being objective. One day you will find out (or an Atheist is very helpful to explain it with good arguments to you). So I would argue that, because of you "misused" the writings in the beginning, you got first hand personal experience on the matter. That is what evolution is all about, isn't it?

 

[Audie]

NOTE: If you want to respond to this by discussing differences between science and religion, that’s okay with me, but it won’t be relevant to what I’m saying. I’m not comparing science and religion. I’m comparing how people misuse research reports sometimes, and how they misuse religious scriptures sometimes.

One way that I see people misusing research reports, and religious scriptures, sometimes, is by imagining those writings saying things that they want them to say, to validate their prejudices, animosities and hostilities across imaginary lines defined by what people believe and don’t believe.

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

Easy peasy. Our creationists always misuse any
research they post, by misquoting / falsifying
the content, misrepresenting, quote mining,etc.
"Proven science". Garbage like that.

Go forth, find any such cut n paste from
a creo, and see for yourself.

As for religionists in general, and their abuse of scrip?

Easy as frog pie. You cant even find two JW who agree
on what it says.
Anything anyone wants to justify via the bible can find
a passage to support it. Flash frozen mammoths or
slavery in Alabama, its all there.

 

[Nimos]

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

I think this is fairly common in any debates, whether that is from a religious view or none religious view.

Its also common that science is misrepresentated by media or that wrong conclusions are drawn from studies, to then be used wrongly to support some other argument etc.

But I do think that it is easier to misuse religious scriptures as they are rarely all that clearly written and often you will find contradictive content, so depending on what people choose to look at, its meanings can also change.

One of the biggest issues I think, when it comes to scriptures, is that a lot people simply won't admit that there are contradictions and deal with it. But rather try to explain these away, as if that was not what they really meant, in the first place.

To me that is a lot harder in science at least, where you have hard evidence and you can replicate experiments.

But overall I think its to be expected with so many informations being available and people in general not having as good a knowledge about all these topics that they might like or think, so there will be a lot of misunderstandings, errors etc. And in some cases deliverable trying to deceive or manipulate the information for whatever reason.

 

[Twilight Hue]

NOTE: If you want to respond to this by discussing differences between science and religion, that’s okay with me, but it won’t be relevant to what I’m saying. I’m not comparing science and religion. I’m comparing how people misuse research reports sometimes, and how they misuse religious scriptures sometimes.

One way that I see people misusing research reports, and religious scriptures, sometimes, is by imagining those writings saying things that they want them to say, to validate their prejudices, animosities and hostilities across imaginary lines defined by what people believe and don’t believe.

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

How exactly do you you 'misuse' a report?

Are you talking bird cage misuse? Wrapping fish in it?

Tie it with a brick and throw it into somebody's window?

 

[Audie]

How exactly do you you 'misuse' a report?

Are you talking bird cage misuse? Wrapping fish in it?

Tie it with a brick and throw it into somebody's window?

Be nice now. Religious tracts would do fine in bird cages.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I’m curious to know if anyone else besides me is seeing what I’m seeing. I’m also curious to know if anyone is actually denying it.

We have a saying in Hindi "Ghar mein bartan hote hain to bajte hee hain". (If there are utensils in the house (if you wash and try to arrange them), then surely, there will be noise). Very few people in India use dish-washers because we use a lot of oil. We don't think dish-washers will be able to handle it.

To me that is a lot harder in science at least, where you have hard evidence and you can replicate experiments.

The main problem is about evidence. Now, if someone has no evidence but trumpets his views as the ultimate truth, then, many people are going to oppose it.

 

[stvdv]

Anything anyone wants to justify via the bible can find
a passage to support it

Interesting fact, if you think about it.

The Bible writers write all kind of contradictions, so we get thousands of Christian sects and even cults
The Bible writers write also "Do not judge others"

The first one makes sure, that they get a hard time practising the second one