The biogeographic evidence for evolution

[dad]

The genetics has been the same pre KT through today. The only one who does not understand this is you "dad".

You just made a claim. So prove it. Have you some genetics from that time that us usable and complete that we can compare? If you do, we all might understand it. If not, we all might laugh.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You sift through your own spam links and post a relevant quote fro one of them on topic that is not faith-based. Or do you even read your own spam?

What the heck are you talking about?

Not bad. Now, are you favoring one over the other here?

Yes. So do you.
When given the choice to live in sweden or denmark or saudi arabia, especially while not knowing in advance who you will be (a white or black person, a muslim, a jew, a christian, a homosexual, etc), you (just like me) will choose sweden or denmark any day of the week.

Why!?

Because there, you have the freedom to be who you want to be and have the opportunity and freedom to do what is necessary to lead that life - like getting the required education in a school of your choosing.

And then there's all the other stuff off course, like great health care, social safety nets, etc.

At least in Saudi Arabia one could maybe convert people who never heard the truth.

Good luck preaching a religion there that isn't the religion that the political elite prefers.

Good luck in Denmark or Sweden doing that

You'll have a lot more luck doing that in Denmark and Sweden, ironically.
Because there, you'll have the freedom to do that AND the natives converting to another religion will not have to fear being prosecuted for apostacy / treason, which will likely not turn out well for them.

You know all this, off course. Which is why you will choose to live in Sweden or Denmark as opposed to Saudi Arabia.

They are on the downgrade with no brakes

All statistics of those countries demonstrate the exact opposite. They are amongst the best countries in the world to live in.

So I think here we once again have an instance where you think your own twisted opinions and faith based beliefs, trump the facts of reality.

Besides, it looks like it might be hard to tell them apart at the rate of immigration!

1. it's funny how this kind of makes my point. people want to move there. Danes and Swedish people aren't really trying to move to Saudi Arabia en masse. It's pretty much one-way, this immigration wave. A lot of them are also refugees. So they are running from something. Take a hint.

2. funny and unsurprising how that reeks of right wing populistic and borderline racist politics

They end up not knowing male from female or truth from lie apparently

More nonsensical drivel.

About as impressive as Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes, yes. Life is so bad there.

By all means, keep your head firmly lodged up your behind.

Telling the truth is rapidly becoming illegal.

More nonsensical drivel.

And you to declare whatever truth or historical reality you like imaginary.

Sure. In secular humanistic democracies, there is such a thing as freedom of thought.
It's a good thing. You exercise it every day on this forum.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The problem with having logical debate with "dad" has to do with "dad"s view of the world. In the world according to "dad" everything we now about the natural world does not apply to anything in the past especially in reference to what the bible teaches. Nuclear decay which we measure today decayed differently in the past so there is no way to date anything outside of our time. Genetics does not act the same way in the past either. Actually nothing works like it does today except for exactly what is stated in the bible and only what is stated in the bible.
Up is down and down is up depending on what is needed. And words change there meaning to depending on the need. In "dad"s wonderland all natural laws and word meanings can change depending on the need.

Indeed.
His religious views are pretty much on par with Last Thursdayism.

Every argument he makes in defense of his nonsense, can be used virtually unchanged for Last Thursdayism with the exact same "merrit".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You said my position was simpler.

"Simple" doesn't equal "better" or "more accurate".

Take genetics. It would be "simple" if every gene was responsible for 1 thing, in a 1 on 1 relation.
But the fact is that things are the result of a complex combination of genetic sequences.

Take physics. It would be "simple" if time was a constant, even independent of the universe, which would be experienced in the same way by everybody in whatever context. But the fact is that the flow of time is relative and influenced by speed and gravitational forces.

Take quantum mechanics. I can't even imagine a "simple" version of quantum mechanics as it is so absurdly complicated top to bottom.



The fact is that reality isn't that simple to comprehend.
You might not like that, but the universe doesn't care about what you like.
It works the way it works. You can either deal with it or stick your head in the ground. You apparantly prefer to stick your head in the ground.

That's your problem, not ours.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Nice ad hom.

How was this an ad hom?

The argument was actually, "Scientists empirically determined some humans are lower than others," a demonstration of how your constant appeal to authority and academia is a castle of winds.

I'm simply affirming what all born agains now, that science is limited in knowledge.

PS. It wasn't and ad hom for you to call me a klansman on another post today?!

 

[BilliardsBall]

But they never did. That was your strawman that was refuted a long time ago. Meanwhile you try to use that as an argument against evolution. I am merely showing how poor your reasoning is since by your "logic" Christianity is false.

Drop the bad debating strategies and people will not be pointing out all of the flaws in your strategy. Refuse to acknowledge refutations and continue using strawman arguments and other improper techniques and you will be told how those techniques refute your religious beliefs.

My argument isn't against evolution, it's against putting all your eggs in the basket (with a hole in it) that is your scientism.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You haven't proven it. You've merely asserted it.

I needed to prove, using examples OTHER than "most scientists said in the past that aboriginals were lower species than homo sapiens sapiens", how the body of science/academia can be horribly wrong?!

I haven't PROVEN that science/academe can be horribly wrong, like when they all said the Earth was flat?

Your "logic" is an example to me of blind faith... in scientism.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I needed to prove, using examples OTHER than "most scientists said in the past that aboriginals were lower species than homo sapiens sapiens", how the body of science/academia can be horribly wrong?!

I haven't PROVEN that science/academe can be horribly wrong, like when they all said the Earth was flat?

Your "logic" is an example to me of blind faith... in scientism.

What you need to prove is that, 'Scientists empirically determined some humans are lower than others,' a demonstration of how your constant appeal to authority and academia is a castle of winds."

Which you said you had already proven. To which I pointed out that you had merely asserted it.

"My" logic, is just ... logic. Make a claim, back it up. No blind faith in anything is required. I have no idea where you came up with scientism here, when all I asked was for you to prove your above claim. A deflection, perhaps?


When did science/academe assert that the Earth is flat?

 

[Subduction Zone]

My argument isn't against evolution, it's against putting all your eggs in the basket (with a hole in it) that is your scientism.

What makes you think that is my flaw? Just because your personal beliefs about evolution have been shown to be wrong does not mean that others follow your nonexistent "scientism".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I needed to prove, using examples OTHER than "most scientists said in the past that aboriginals were lower species than homo sapiens sapiens", how the body of science/academia can be horribly wrong?!

I haven't PROVEN that science/academe can be horribly wrong, like when they all said the Earth was flat?

Your "logic" is an example to me of blind faith... in scientism.

Scientists never claimed the Earth to be flat. Do you know even know what science is?

 

[dad]

What the heck are you talking about?

I am saying that you are required to derive some relevant quotes from the links you offer and post it and defend it. Use the link for a reference only. When I look at any link you post, I see fables and belief based nonsense. If you claim anything more do as stated above.

Yes. So do you.
When given the choice to live in sweden or denmark or saudi arabia, especially while not knowing in advance who you will be (a white or black person, a muslim, a jew, a christian, a homosexual, etc), you (just like me) will choose sweden or denmark any day of the week.

To be frank, Sweden and Denmark are two of the countries I would rank as least desirable also. I already have lived in a country where the official motto of the leader seems to be 'I stand for nothing, and fall for anything'.

Because there, you have the freedom to be who you want to be and have the opportunity and freedom to do what is necessary to lead that life - like getting the required education in a school of your choosing.

Save the dream pep talk for a travel brochure. I do not value wishy-washy nations that have rejected the truth as much as you apparently.

And then there's all the other stuff off course, like great health care, social safety nets, etc.

That is due to what, biogeographic evolution? No. Any system of health 'care' that changes the sex of kids and kills their babies is suspect in my books.

You'll have a lot more luck doing that in Denmark and Sweden, ironically.
Because there, you'll have the freedom to do that AND the natives converting to another religion will not have to fear being prosecuted for apostacy / treason, which will likely not turn out well for them.

We can agree to disagree. I do not find that talking with people on a down elevator inspires me about what is up.

You know all this, off course. Which is why you will choose to live in Sweden or Denmark as opposed to Saudi Arabia.

Perhaps. I suppose one would rather live in a cow pasture than a burning building. Not that either is ideal.

2. funny and unsurprising how that reeks of right wing populistic and borderline racist politics

Mercy is good. If that was what it was all about.




More nonsensical drivel.



Yes, yes. Life is so bad there.

By all means, keep your head firmly lodged up your behind.




More nonsensical drivel.



Sure. In secular humanistic democracies, there is such a thing as freedom of thought.
It's a good thing. You exercise it every day on this forum.[/QUOTE]

 

[dad]

"Simple" doesn't equal "better" or "more accurate".

Take genetics. It would be "simple" if every gene was responsible for 1 thing, in a 1 on 1 relation.
But the fact is that things are the result of a complex combination of genetic sequences.

Take physics. It would be "simple" if time was a constant, even independent of the universe, which would be experienced in the same way by everybody in whatever context. But the fact is that the flow of time is relative and influenced by speed and gravitational forces.

Take quantum mechanics. I can't even imagine a "simple" version of quantum mechanics as it is so absurdly complicated top to bottom.

The fact is that reality isn't that simple to comprehend..

I disagree. It is simple to assume time is simply not the same and that this is the reason simple Simon science has mistakenly believed there were billions of years involved. As for quantum mechanics, there are probabilities. To really comprehend what probability is all about one would need to factor God and choice in. Otherwise, it would seem quite confusing.

 

[Astrophile]

I haven't PROVEN that science/academe can be horribly wrong, like when they all said the Earth was flat?

Can you please stop repeating this? Aristotle (384-322 BC) demonstrated about 2350 years ago that the Earth is spherical, and all educated people since then have accepted the sphericity of the Earth. If you can cite any scientist or academic (not a priest or a theologian) who lived during the last 2000 years and who said that the Earth was flat, I will withdraw this post.

 

[tas8831]

How was this an ad hom?

it really wasn't - I was just trying out one of your go-to tactics.

The argument was actually, "Scientists empirically determined some humans are lower than others,"

Of interest would be 1. if you can support that assertion - thus far it seems you cannot; 2. if you can, how was this 'determination' received? Was it embraced by all? Was it rejected?

I'm simply affirming what all born agains now, that science is limited in knowledge.

All scientists know that born agains are a little loopy and untrustworthy, so...

PS. It wasn't and ad hom for you to call me a klansman on another post today?!

I didn't call you a klansman, I merely applied your "logic."

Funny how upset you get when your 'logic' is used against you, for you appear to realize how foolish it is.

Oh - still waiting for you to explain what "enzymes" are required for the appendix to 'release' good bacteria, all under the direction of the nervous system.

And also- still waiting:

Thats nice - but you didn't even try to explain the terms you used:

1. WHAT is a 'macrochange'?
2. WHAT is "DNA conjoining"?
3. WHAT is "DNA base information"?

 

[BilliardsBall]

What you need to prove is that, 'Scientists empirically determined some humans are lower than others,' a demonstration of how your constant appeal to authority and academia is a castle of winds."

Which you said you had already proven. To which I pointed out that you had merely asserted it.

"My" logic, is just ... logic. Make a claim, back it up. No blind faith in anything is required. I have no idea where you came up with scientism here, when all I asked was for you to prove your above claim. A deflection, perhaps?


When did science/academe assert that the Earth is flat?

What? You didn't realize scientists asserted aboriginals were beneath other humans before DNA testing came to the fore? You think academia only asserts things empirically proven? Guess you've never attended a philosophy or psychology conference!

And you didn't know the prevailing wisdom was the Earth is flat? It was certainly so when Oxford was founded! And just as scientists continually seek to refine the body of knowledge, as they do, they find more and more that science aligns with the Holy Bible.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Scientists never claimed the Earth to be flat. Do you know even know what science is?

Ignoring your ad homs. The prevailing wisdom was the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded. Columbus was warned about avoiding any attempt to circumnavigate the globe. Do you even history?

 

[Audie]

Scientists never claimed the Earth to be flat. Do you know even know what science is?

Lets see you stick to that question until it is answered.
That ought to put an end to this trainwreck

 

[Audie]

Can you please stop repeating this? Aristotle (384-322 BC) demonstrated about 2350 years ago that the Earth is spherical, and all educated people since then have accepted the sphericity of the Earth. If you can cite any scientist or academic (not a priest or a theologian) who lived during the last 2000 years and who said that the Earth was flat, I will withdraw this post.

As i said to subzie, keep at it till you get an answer.
You never will.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ignoring your ad homs. The prevailing wisdom was the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded. Columbus was warned about avoiding any attempt to circumnavigate the globe. Do you even history?

Far better than you do. The scientists that warned Columbus were right. Columbus was wrong.

You do not know how badly you just shot yourself in the foot again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As i said to subzie, keep at it till you get an answer.
You never will.

Okay? Hmm how do I have two user names running simultaneously, and you saw through them.