In your understanding. How old is human race? and when was the first being alive on earth?

[Dave Watchman]

Is it correct for me to infer that you agree with science only when it doesn't conflict with your interpretation of scripture?

Correct.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Correct.

Why?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Why?

I'm a Bible believer.

God was there.

I was not.

God told it to His friend Moses.

Moses wrote it down.

I believe it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just because scientific observation is right on one or more occasions, would that mean it is correct on all?

If the thermometer has a correct reading of 80°F in my fish tank, does that mean that radio carbon dating can be trusted to the same degree?

Should I risk eternal life on it?

“The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” - Luke 17:20​

Peaceful Sabbath.

The theory of evolution does not rely on carbon dating at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm a Bible believer.

God was there.

I was not.

God told it to His friend Moses.

Moses wrote it down.

I believe it.

But then you in effect claim that God lied. That makes no sense to me.

 

[Dave Watchman]

The theory of evolution does not rely on carbon dating at all.

I'm not too worried about carbon dating anyway.

If God wanted to, He could create the earth with age embedded into the elements.

Embedded age.

My version of humanity hasn't been here long enough to evolve anyway.

Only to degrade.

I wonder who would win an arm wrestle, me or a 400 year old Noah.

 

[Dave Watchman]

But then you in effect claim that God lied. That makes no sense to me.

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18​

 

[Mock Turtle]

I wonder who would win an arm wrestle, me or a 400 year old Noah.

I'm sure you would - he would probably have had brittle-bone disease by then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not too worried about carbon dating anyway.

If God wanted to, He could create the earth with age embedded into the elements.

Embedded age.

My version of humanity hasn't been here long enough to evolve anyway.

Only to degrade.

I wonder who would win an arm wrestle, me or a 400 year old Noah.

Embedded age alone is calling God a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18​

I am not talking about the crucifixion or its message. Most Christians realize that Genesis cannot be read literally.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I'm sure you would - he would probably have had brittle-bone disease by then.

No way.

They could live 900 years.

Those guys were closer to the creation.

They had not the same exposure as we do to an Earth defiled by 6000 years of sin.

They were as strong as a horse.

You never pick a fight with an antediluvian.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No way.

They could live 900 years.

Those guys were closer to the creation.

They had not the same exposure as we do to an Earth defiled by 6000 years of sin.

They were as strong as a horse.

You never pick a fight with an antediluvian.

I'll take your word for it - but not some historical text.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No way.

They could live 900 years.

Those guys were closer to the creation.

They had not the same exposure as we do to an Earth defiled by 6000 years of sin.

They were as strong as a horse.

You never pick a fight with an antediluvian.

Again, no. We can tell how long people lived in general. It weakens Christianity to try to demand certain stories in the Bible were true. The Flood is a perfect example.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I am not talking about the crucifixion or its message. Most Christians realize that Genesis cannot be read literally.

I know.

I would just never say that G-d lies.

Information is being withheld at this time.

That's not the same thing as falsifying the data.

We're going to find out what's going on soon, I have a hunch what it is.

Because this guy, and his grizzly specifications,:

Were NOT created after our image, and after our likeness.

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26
​

 

[Dave Watchman]

I'll take your word for it - but not some historical text.

That "historical text" as you call it, is too elaborate to be fake.

It's too big, from Genesis, to Revelation.

When I look at some of the competition, then yes, it could be written by a few regular guys.

But not the Bible.

There's too many Biblical authors, spanning too many years, for this all to be a fluke.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know.

I would just never say that G-d lies.

Information is being withheld at this time.

That's not the same thing as falsifying the data.

We're going to find out what's going on soon, I have a hunch what it is.

Because this guy, and his grizzly specifications,:

Were NOT created after our image, and after our likeness.

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26
​

But you are claiming falsification of data. Every piece of evidence tells us that Genesis is myth. That there was no flood. That life is the product of evolution. In other words God would have had to lie by falsification if those stories are true.

Besides that those stories tell us that God is incompetent and evil if taken literally. Are you sure that you have thought this through?

 

[Mock Turtle]

That "historical text" as you call it, is too elaborate to be fake.

It's too big, from Genesis, to Revelation.

When I look at some of the competition, then yes, it could be written by a few regular guys.

But not the Bible.

There's too many Biblical authors, spanning too many years, for this all to be a fluke.

Sorry, time has a way to do all this - and human failings. As in, an agenda to follow.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That "historical text" as you call it, is too elaborate to be fake.

It's too big, from Genesis, to Revelation.

When I look at some of the competition, then yes, it could be written by a few regular guys.

But not the Bible.

There's too many Biblical authors, spanning too many years, for this all to be a fluke.

Why not? It is full of flaws. The God of the Bible is far from perfect. It looks like slightly better than average myth.

 

[Dave Watchman]

But you are claiming falsification of data. Every piece of evidence tells us that Genesis is myth. That there was no flood. That life is the product of evolution. In other words God would have had to lie by falsification if those stories are true.

Like Isaac Newton said: "Let time be the Interpreter."

If Genesis is true. Time is running out. The Bible only talks of 6000 years on man on earth prior to the second coming and the start of the thousand years of Revelation 20.

There's been a few guys adding up the generations of Genesis. But I suspect the time begins, not from creation week, but when Eve came on the scene.

Besides that those stories tell us that God is incompetent and evil if taken literally. Are you sure that you have thought this through?

God did not create Evil.

And God can't murder.

Those people were caught up in the Devil's bargain.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like Isaac Newton said: "Let time be the Interpreter."

If Genesis is true. Time is running out. The Bible only talks of 6000 years on man on earth prior to the second coming and the start of the thousand years of Revelation 20.

There's been a few guys adding up the generations of Genesis. But I suspect the time begins, not from creation week, but when Eve came on the scene.



God did not create Evil.

And God can't murder.

Those people were caught up in the Devil's bargain.

God cannot slough off the blame on the Devil if he is omniscient and omnipotent. God is ultimately responsible.