"If God Could Just Show Himself..."

[Samantha Rinne]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways. I mean, there's dreams, there's the various people God speaks through (too many stories to mention), there's nature (I one time walked away from a church policy I didn't like, and got drenched in a rainstorm), there's symbols (almost too many but one time my sister had me find her some poultry, and I couldn't find the specific kind, and the next day I found an item at the place I worked, a video called Wild Goose Chase), and so on. But we're looking for someone with a sign over them saying "This Is God"? Yeah, nobody would reveal themselves that way even as a normal person (think of how many ppl online use a persona).

So yeah, I have a "poll" below that doesn't allow any denial mode. The only way you will accept God this way is if you've actually decided that really is what you want. As long as you're in "prove yourself worthy, God" mode, you will never accept what you're looking for. The End.

Prove me wrong! I need you to show up right now and convince me that I'm mistaken!

(Nah, I'm messing with you. The first person to respond gets to decide what this thread is about instead. It's 3 am, so have a song)

 

[Spirit of Light]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways. I mean, there's dreams, there's the various people God speaks through (too many stories to mention), there's nature (I one time walked away from a church policy I didn't like, and got drenched in a rainstorm), there's symbols (almost too many but one time my sister had me find her some poultry, and I couldn't find the specific kind, and the next day I found an item at the place I worked, a video called Wild Goose Chase), and so on. But we're looking for someone with a sign over them saying "This Is God"? Yeah, nobody would reveal themselves that way even as a normal person (think of how many ppl online use a persona).

So yeah, I have a "poll" below that doesn't allow any denial mode. The only way you will accept God this way is if you've actually decided that really is what you want. As long as you're in "prove yourself worthy, God" mode, you will never accept what you're looking for. The End.

Prove me wrong! I need you to show up right now and convince me that I'm mistaken!

This OP is the best i have read in a long long time
So yes i agree
For me it is like, I already understand there are Gods and other beings in heavenly realm so i have no need to have the physical "proof" that so many asking for The answer has already been given and to me the answer was. the wisdom from within have risen

 

[McBell]

Since God is to scared to duel...
But hey, whatever works for you.

 

[Stevicus]

In other words, you are challenging God.

I would say it's more a matter of challenging those who claim there is a God - or presume to take on the role of telling others what God thinks or feels.

 

[Heyo]

There is a man on the other team in the Bowling tournament who says he is Jesus. Do you believe him?
I voted "no" but I think the question is not answerable because you make some assumptions that put the carriage before the horse. You talk about "God" as if there is only one and everyone would recognize it, if they see it. Just ask a few people who do believe that some god exists how they imagine it. Most of them wouldn't recognize the god you are imagining and claim it to be fake.
I would agree to call it god and believe in its existence, if the majority of believers agree to call it god. So definitely not at first but I might get there after a while.

 

[ChristineM]

If God Could Just Show Himself.

He/she/it would need to prove he/she/it were a god and not some sufficiently advanced being pulling a fast one. A god would know how to do this so don't ask what proof would suffice. So thats the proof sorted.

Also said god would need to honestly answer some serious questions and those answers would have to satisfy me before i could respect him/her/it. But i very much doubt any answer to explain genocide, slavery, suffering etc would suffice.

 

[ChristineM]

New There is a man on the other team in the Bowling tournament who says he is Jesus. Do you believe him?

Yes, met him. Spanish guy, Jesus is a common name in come christian countries

 

[HonestJoe]

"Then I would believe." Right?

I agree that is a bad argument but not necessarily for the same reasons you do. I don’t think it is possible to prove the existence of the God you believe in (or the different gods other people believe in). All that could be proven is that something exists that is capable of doing all the things we expect our image of God to do (arguably, that something would still be a god, just the “wrong” god ).

In other words, you are challenging God.

What’s wrong with challenging God? I know some religions say you shouldn’t do it but they would wouldn’t they. That’s really just saying “Don’t question the priests”.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways.

That isn’t truth, it’s belief. You believe those things are signs of your God. Some people see them as signs of their gods or some other supernatural occurrences and some people just see them as coincidence or “stuff that just happens”. None of this is even evidence for or against the existence of any God, let alone proof. That would relate to knowing God exists, which would be entirely distinct from believing God exists. You can’t have both.

If an all-powerful God existed and it wanted me to believe it existed, I would believe it existed. I don’t know how it would achieve that but the point of an all-powerful being is that if it wants something to be, it will be. Note that we can't choose to believe something, it's a subconscious conclusion based on our experiences, perceptions and the inner workings of our brains.

Because I don’t believe in any gods, there are only really two possibilities. One or more gods exist but don’t want me to believe for some reason or not gods exist. Either way, I might as well carry on as if there isn’t a god.

 

[stvdv]

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

I am like that type. Sometimes I go very extreme (no food/water even) and only accept "God" to come to my rescue. "He" did a few times.
(Last time "He" told me, I might die in the process. So, since then I did not do that trick again; but I'll figure out a new way to "meet God")

So, NO. This has nothing to do with duel with "God" (maybe for you or others, but not for me)
It has to do with the desire to know all about the mystery called "God". Nothing to do that "God" must prove Himself to me. I know "God" exists.

(I quoted "God", meaning it's my definition of God. So there is nothing to debate about. I just shared my personal opinion)

 

[pearl]

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

Reminds me of the 'Oh God' movie with George Burns and John Denver.

 

[nPeace]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways. I mean, there's dreams, there's the various people God speaks through (too many stories to mention), there's nature (I one time walked away from a church policy I didn't like, and got drenched in a rainstorm), there's symbols (almost too many but one time my sister had me find her some poultry, and I couldn't find the specific kind, and the next day I found an item at the place I worked, a video called Wild Goose Chase), and so on. But we're looking for someone with a sign over them saying "This Is God"? Yeah, nobody would reveal themselves that way even as a normal person (think of how many ppl online use a persona).

So yeah, I have a "poll" below that doesn't allow any denial mode. The only way you will accept God this way is if you've actually decided that really is what you want. As long as you're in "prove yourself worthy, God" mode, you will never accept what you're looking for. The End.

Prove me wrong! I need you to show up right now and convince me that I'm mistaken!

(Nah, I'm messing with you. The first person to respond gets to decide what this thread is about instead. It's 3 am, so have a song)

Reminds me of Matthew 12:38, 39 ; Matthew 16:1-4

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

Are you God?

No, the challenge isn't to God; it's to you. It's a challenge to provide a reasonable basis for your beliefs.

An appearance from God would be an obvious way to establish that God exists, but really, the main issue is that you haven't established that God exists.

IOW, if you want other people to accept your claim, you need something real to base it on.

 

[nPeace]

Are you God?

No, the challenge isn't to God; it's to you. It's a challenge to provide a reasonable basis for your beliefs.

An appearance from God would be an obvious way to establish that God exists, but really, the main issue is that you haven't established that God exists.

IOW, if you want other people to accept your claim, you need something real to base it on.

That's not true, at all.
A person may perform powerful works that can only be done with ability beyond known natural physics, or physical laws.
The observer may not acknowledge that, but attribute it to magic tricks, or illusion.
This is what happened with Jesus.

In a similar way, what may be known of God, is clearly seen, or evident, but the denier would attribute this to natural possesses, even those that he cannot demonstrate, or prove - as in the case of Abiogenesis, and evolution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways. I mean, there's dreams, there's the various people God speaks through (too many stories to mention), there's nature (I one time walked away from a church policy I didn't like, and got drenched in a rainstorm), there's symbols (almost too many but one time my sister had me find her some poultry, and I couldn't find the specific kind, and the next day I found an item at the place I worked, a video called Wild Goose Chase), and so on. But we're looking for someone with a sign over them saying "This Is God"? Yeah, nobody would reveal themselves that way even as a normal person (think of how many ppl online use a persona).

So yeah, I have a "poll" below that doesn't allow any denial mode. The only way you will accept God this way is if you've actually decided that really is what you want. As long as you're in "prove yourself worthy, God" mode, you will never accept what you're looking for. The End.

Prove me wrong! I need you to show up right now and convince me that I'm mistaken!

(Nah, I'm messing with you. The first person to respond gets to decide what this thread is about instead. It's 3 am, so have a song)

If I was that nuts to refuse a boat or helicopter, I'd deserve to die too.

The pilot or captain wasn't named God, perchance?

 

[Twilight Hue]

There is a man on the other team in the Bowling tournament who says he is Jesus. Do you believe him?
I voted "no" but I think the question is not answerable because you make some assumptions that put the carriage before the horse. You talk about "God" as if there is only one and everyone would recognize it, if they see it. Just ask a few people who do believe that some god exists how they imagine it. Most of them wouldn't recognize the god you are imagining and claim it to be fake.
I would agree to call it god and believe in its existence, if the majority of believers agree to call it god. So definitely not at first but I might get there after a while.

Yep. It takes a God to know a god.

 

[Audie]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't.
]

You've a lot of nerve impugning the integrity of people you
dont know, claiming that they would be dishonest no
matter what the evidence.

Coming from a flat earther, that goes far past the limits of
anything funny or ironic.

 

[Audie]

That's not true, at all.
A person may perform powerful works that can only be done with ability beyond known natural physics, or physical laws.
The observer may not acknowledge that, but attribute it to magic tricks, or illusion.
This is what happened with Jesus.

In a similar way, what may be known of God, is clearly seen, or evident, but the denier would attribute this to natural possesses, even those that he cannot demonstrate, or prove - as in the case of Abiogenesis, and evolution.

Natural events, attributed to the emotions of a god.
That what you mean by "what can be known of god,
clearly seen or evident?"

Well well, now who is it that for countless ages has
thought that mental illness was demon possession,
that god threw lightning bolts, sends earthquakes or
volcano eruptions to show displeasure, etc and blah?

The denier of natural process of course says its god.
Half you xians still believe in demon possession.


The way you guys do psychological projection is so
blatant and transparent, you really should be
embarrassed by such a naive display.

But then, a flood believer must of needs be immune
to embarrassment, or, for that matter, evidence.

Funny people!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Natural events, attributed to the emotions of a god.
That what you mean by "what can be known of god,
clearly seen or evident?"

Well well, now who is it that for countless ages has
thought that mental illness was demon possession,
that god threw lightning bolts, sends earthquakes or
volcano eruptions to show displeasure, etc and blah?

The denier of natural process of course says its god.
Half you xians still believe in demon possession.


The way you guys do psychological projection is so
blatant and transparent, you really should be
embarrassed by such a naive display.

But then, a flood believer must of needs be immune
to embarrassment, or, for that matter, evidence.

Funny people!

What's even funnier.... The converse !

This makes Pat Robertson a messenger sent by God.

So God is real!

 

[Salvador]

"Then I would believe." Right?

Well, no. You wouldn't. And that's because anyone who wants God to pop into view and play the magic trick game, probably doesn't actually understand why they would want to see God in the first place. In fact, some of them would either vent for several hours about everything God has done wrong, or try to kill Him.

In other words, you are challenging God. You are telling him to show up at 3 am or 5 pm (or the twelfth of never) and duel with you.

There's an old joke. It goes something like this. A man is caught in a flood, and he prays "please God, come save me." A boat comes along, and he's like "No thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me." A helicopter comes along, and the same deal. He dies, and he's like "God, why didn't you save me?" Yeah ummm, you rejected the helicopter and the boat.

The truth is, God mostly shows himself in a few ways. I mean, there's dreams, there's the various people God speaks through (too many stories to mention), there's nature (I one time walked away from a church policy I didn't like, and got drenched in a rainstorm), there's symbols (almost too many but one time my sister had me find her some poultry, and I couldn't find the specific kind, and the next day I found an item at the place I worked, a video called Wild Goose Chase), and so on. But we're looking for someone with a sign over them saying "This Is God"? Yeah, nobody would reveal themselves that way even as a normal person (think of how many ppl online use a persona).

So yeah, I have a "poll" below that doesn't allow any denial mode. The only way you will accept God this way is if you've actually decided that really is what you want. As long as you're in "prove yourself worthy, God" mode, you will never accept what you're looking for. The End.

Prove me wrong! I need you to show up right now and convince me that I'm mistaken!

(Nah, I'm messing with you. The first person to respond gets to decide what this thread is about instead. It's 3 am, so have a song)

There is indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence embedded in our genetic code by its Creator as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. http://earth-chronicles.ru/Publications_12/35/64182102-1-s2.0-s0019103513000791-main.pdf Icarus 2013, February

This informational and artificial characteristic of the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code demonstrates intelligent design.

This intelligent signal transmitted via genetic code that has been documented and confirmed by scientists researching the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code is prima facie evidence for an intelligent designer.

The authors who discovered this mark of intelligence embedded in our genetic code show that "the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov.Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code Icarus, 2013 February

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

 

[Audie]

There is indeed a mark of intelligence left by our Genetic Code's Creator in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov.Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

This informational and artificial characteristic of the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code demonstrates intelligent design.

This intelligent signal transmitted via genetic code that has been documented and confirmed by scientists researching the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code is prima facie evidence for an intelligent designer.

The authors who discovered this mark of intelligence embedded in our genetic code show that "the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov.Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code Icarus, 2013 February

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

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