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Hate

Link

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To love evil people and not hate them (you should have compassion for them however), is a great injustice to the good people.

God's love for good people would become meaningless if he loves evil people all the same.

Evil people negative deeds and states and way of being requires hate, but this doesn't mean no compassion.

Compassion of God encompasses all beings and all things, no matter how hateful they are in his vision.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Sure, love of oppressors to the extent one seeks to justify their oppression.

Well, I'm afraid I don't understand how love of an oppressor leads or relates to something totally new like justifying oppression.

...The one does not lead to the other.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Of course I hate myself sometimes too. "Sometimes" being the key word. :)
... you also asked: "Do you hate?" Yes. I hate myself. but that's a whole different topic.
I find these statements very strange. I don't think I've ever hated myself, and I'm in my 60s. I've also very rarely felt anything akin to hate for anyone else. It has occurred on rare occasions, but only for a very short interval.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I find these statements very strange. I don't think I've ever hated myself, and I'm in my 60s. I've also very rarely felt anything akin to hate for anyone else. It has occurred on rare occasions, but only for a very short interval.

You've never made a mistake, and then felt deep regret for what you did? You're lucky.

I suppose if I had worded it better, like saying that I "rejected my previous self" for what I did.
 

Link

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Premium Member
This only applies if you are disciplining yourself not to hate and the resulting justice is your own peace of mind and compassion for others.

If you mean by hate, the opposite of compassion you are right. But if you mean hate as in the opposite of adoration appreciation and love in that sense, you are wrong. You have to be disgusted by evil people while at the same time maintaining enough compassion for them that you hope they reform.

This applies to people alive, of course, compassion on dead evil people just makes us disappointed and an intense grief over the consequences they have to pay, but at the same time, a peaceful reminder that justice has been served.

Hate of the wrong type (without compassion) is evil. However, even compassion diminishes (never is gone) depending on the circumstance and state and situation.
 

Link

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Premium Member
Sin is just missing the mark of God's glory. Adam sinned, but he never did evil. He disobeyed God but not out of malice or evil.

God never hated Adam even for a millisecond, but he was God's chosen who was deceived and fell while God and Angels all expected him to not be defeated by his enemy.

God hates the devil and hated him during his act, because it was pure malice rebellion and arrogance that made him disbelieve in God's signs, and not only signs, but the highest veils of light - he disbelieved in that, and so no words of God can guide him anymore.

He was kicked out despised and hated, yet God reached out to him, to guide him, but he refused. He respited him, but he took advantage of that, and sought to misguide humans knowing God would not break his promise. God felt compassion for the fallen state - going from an Angel to a spiteful devil he has become, but never less hates him and will severely punish him in the world to come forever and ever with no respite.

Glory to God who compassion for his friends doesn't diminish his wrath to his enemies, and who's wrath to his enemies doesn't diminish his compassion for his friends.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You've never made a mistake, and then felt deep regret for what you did? You're lucky.
Regret is not hatred! Screwing up is not a reason to hate myself! ... Or anyone else, for that matter.
I suppose if I had worded it better, like saying that I "rejected my previous self" for what I did.
That still doesn't 'compute', for me. "I ams what I ams and that's all that I ams", as Popeye says. And I'm very happy to be who and what I am. Warts, screw-ups, and all.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Of course it's true that hatred must be kept constant in order for it to remain true "hate"... Otherwise it's just a passing phase.

...Constance requires obsessive behavior -there is no other option.
In some pamtomime version of reality, maybe. Real people are complex; they vary in emotional state, even if they're very passionate about something.

And temporary, fleeting hate is still hate. There's no rule that says an emotion has to be permanent to be a valid emotion.
But emotions can be controlled or even replaced by our willingness to focus on other things. Positive thoughts and new understandings naturally enter the conscious mind of people, replacing negative emotions. I suppose the speed of this natural process works at different rates depending on various things and people.
You can take actions that foster or encourage different emotions or attitudes, but the emotion itself is still an involuntary response.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Does your religion teach the concept of hate? In what capacity and to what end?
Do you hate?
Do you see any practical use for hatred?

@SalixIncendium

In my research this is the same problem in Islam. It may seem ironic from an outside perspective. but if you're someone like me with friends and family on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... in Israel... it's not ironic. It's the root cause of a multi-generational never-ending military war.

And it's awful. I'm very empathetic. And I can feel both sides of this. It's torture.

I think that no religion teaches hatred. Just the opposite. The war that religions teach is about war on lust, greed, hatred ...

But, imo, the conservative forces in all societies sow seeds of hatred in name of religion.

‘Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Teaching to Hate: RSS' Pedagogical Programme on JSTOR
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
That still doesn't 'compute', for me. "I ams what I ams and that's all that I ams", as Popeye says. And I'm very happy to be who and what I am. Warts, screw-ups, and all.

That's a very conservative, non-progressive perspective. Personally, I find joy and fulfillment in recognizing and fixing my errors.

...Often times, that includes rejecting previously held positions and actions to make room for new feelings of fulfillment.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
That's a very conservative, non-progressive perspective. Personally, I find joy and fulfillment in recognizing and fixing my errors.
I find joy in making fewer of them. :) The beauty of having made lots of mistakes is not having to repeat them. I'm old, so I have a lot of them behind me, and not so many, ahead.
...Often times, that includes rejecting previously held positions and actions to make room for new feelings of fulfillment.
... Or better still, it means realizing that the positions I take are mostly irrelevant to anyone but me, and that, mostly, I don't care, either! :)
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Hatred is an emotion of the ego along with fear. It casts people as "other". The goal is to see all as one.

Kabir, living in India expressed it this way:

Does Khuda (Arabic for God) live in the mosque?
Then who lives everywhere?
Is Ram (Hindi for God) in idols and holy ground?
Have you looked and found him there?
Hari in the East, Allah in the West--
so you like to dream.
Search in the heart, in the heart alone:
there live Ram and Karim!
Which is false, Koran or Veda?
False is the darkened outlook.
It is one, one in everybody!
How did you make it two?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I subscribe to Popular Science, Smithsonian, & National Geographic.

Hate is a human feature. Religions might be able to lessen or inflame it.
But beware the ones who deny it. To deny hatred...to claim being above
it is to ignore it, which allows it to fester & grow.

I pretty much worked it out so I don't hate anymore but I also have issue's with love. Hatred was destructive in my parents life and my early life. I found I didn't want to live that way so I learned to diffuse problems. No problems ever get so bad that I hate. I still dislike people and things and I still like people and things. I can say that for many years now I haven't hated anything and doubt I ever will again.

I would say people that say they have only love and no hatred you need to beware. But a person that doesn't love does not need to hate.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Never heard of this before. Hate is hate as Buddha would say. It hurts no one but yourself. I see you were talking in bible speak language. I don't speak that anymore so we will not be able to communicate effectively. carry on.

You would be wrong to assume that it is in bible speak. It is actually something else.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Hatred is an emotion of the ego along with fear. It casts people as "other". The goal is to see all as one.
I respectfully disagree. Failure to recognize personal boundaries is a hallmark of narcissistic personality disorder, so that is not the isolating (pardon the pun) cause. NPD is more of an id disorder than an ego disorder. Fear is often unconscious, and therefore, by definition, outside of the realm of ego. (Ego being the conscious mind.)
 
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