Time is a myth, time is real, time is unreal, time is....

[MrMrdevincamus]

The concept of time, or space Time* is after religious beliefs and questions about God are what I think about when spare time allows. It's so very obvious that Time* as explained to the masses by the scientific community and by Philosophers is either wrong or incomplete. As I said I believe some theories are more incomplete than wrong. For instance Einstein, Gödel travel (closed timelike curves) aren't wrong but their theories of spacetime where Gödel collaborated with Einstein are probably incomplete due to a failure to incorporate quantum theory in the theories that concerns Time. My current personal ideas concerning the nature of time may be even less complete or more in error as the current scientific view! According to scientists and philosophers who research the subject of 'Time' and formulating an accurate theory etc is very problematic. Formulating a TOE&Unified theory that includes time is impossible! So scientists and Philosophers have competing theories and hypotheses describing time and space Time* including peripheral subjects.

I believe if a true and complete theory of time can be formulated a leprechaunish rainbow will form leading our scientific establishment to not a pot of gold but something far more important. That rainbow will lead to a TOE and a GUT** (see notes). Will a TOE & GUT complete science and explain everything in the Universe? No. But maybe, just maybe, when Science has a 'true' and complete TOE/GUT it will provide the ground work to understand the remaining 94+% of the Universe! That 94+% is composed of Dark Matter and energy, if our science is capable of explaining what that stuff is, the things the human race can do will be 'God like' imo. Ok, so the questions/talking points are if anyone dares;

(1)....... Do you believe ; The A-theory now called "Presentism". Presentism states only the present is objectively real. This is the view most coherent with most (indeterministic) interpretations of quantum mechanics. Indeterministic quantum theory supports parallel universe and the Many Worlds Theory.

(2).......B-theory is re-formulated and updated into "Eternalism", or the "block-universe" view. This is the view naturally arising from the usual presentations of special and general relativity. My ideas such as they are employ the B theory.

(3.)..... Other, which include but not limited to; Time is an illusion, supported by Scientific Philosopher Julian Barbour and David Deutsch whose theory of time is very similar. Both incorporate the Many Worlds Theory of QM. There are other less supported theories or maybe you have your own? Please expand on any theory of time or related subject.

Lastly there are notes usually to define a word or concept indicated by the ****'s asterisks after a word or phrase.


NOTES;

*..... Space Time and time are different. Space time' is the theory that time and space are 'woven' together, and usually represented as an upper case 'T' in scientific papers or general correspondence among scientist's or scientifically minded people. The other time is intuitive time that seems to flow. Its denoted as a lower case 't' when possible.

**... TOE/GUT (also ToE)... The GUT theory is a theory that combines three of the four fundamental forces together, called Grand Unified Theory. A TOE is The Theory of Everything meaning a unified theory of all physical fields, including gravity. In principle, if a ToE were formulated it would be possible to derive every other natural law from them, including all the laws nature!

The end...... : {> ~

 

[PureX]

Time is relational.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its a ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.

 

[sun rise]

The question is whether or not time is an emergent property side effect of quantum entanglement as is now believed by some scientists.

 

[Altfish]

No, Time is real, it was on Dark Side of the Moon

 

[Valjean]

Yes and No
Time is subjectively real. Objectively, it's "real" in a way, but not as we perceive it.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

The question is whether or not time is an emergent property side effect of quantum entanglement as is now believed by some scientists.

Could be. Time being an entanglement emergent thing is confirmed by empirical methpds conducted by reasearchers at INRIM in Turin, Italy. Also if I understand the the results of the confrimation the emergent phenomenon is only for ‘internal’ observers but absent for external ones. That would validate what an observer would 'see' when a object falls into a black hole. The object falling appears to stop, frozen in time 'forever' to the an observer watching the event, however time seems to pass normally as measured by the object falling. Q entanglement is one of my favorite propties of QM.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Time is relational.

As per Einstein? Well, he said time relative (to observers) but relational would be true too I suppose.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Its a ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.

Who is going to mish it and then mash it? And you left out limely stuff...

 

[Cooky]

The concept of time, or space Time* is after religious beliefs and questions about God are what I think about when spare time allows. It's so very obvious that Time* as explained to the masses by the scientific community and by Philosophers is either wrong or incomplete. As I said I believe some theories are more incomplete than wrong. For instance Einstein, Gödel travel (closed timelike curves) aren't wrong but their theories of spacetime where Gödel collaborated with Einstein are probably incomplete due to a failure to incorporate quantum theory in the theories that concerns Time. My current personal ideas concerning the nature of time may be even less complete or more in error as the current scientific view! According to scientists and philosophers who research the subject of 'Time' and formulating an accurate theory etc is very problematic. Formulating a TOE&Unified theory that includes time is impossible! So scientists and Philosophers have competing theories and hypotheses describing time and space Time* including peripheral subjects.

I believe if a true and complete theory of time can be formulated a leprechaunish rainbow will form leading our scientific establishment to not a pot of gold but something far more important. That rainbow will lead to a TOE and a GUT** (see notes). Will a TOE & GUT complete science and explain everything in the Universe? No. But maybe, just maybe, when Science has a 'true' and complete TOE/GUT it will provide the ground work to understand the remaining 94+% of the Universe! That 94+% is composed of Dark Matter and energy, if our science is capable of explaining what that stuff is, the things the human race can do will be 'God like' imo. Ok, so the questions/talking points are if anyone dares;

(1)....... Do you believe ; The A-theory now called "Presentism". Presentism states only the present is objectively real. This is the view most coherent with most (indeterministic) interpretations of quantum mechanics. Indeterministic quantum theory supports parallel universe and the Many Worlds Theory.

(2).......B-theory is re-formulated and updated into "Eternalism", or the "block-universe" view. This is the view naturally arising from the usual presentations of special and general relativity. My ideas such as they are employ the B theory.

(3.)..... Other, which include but not limited to; Time is an illusion, supported by Scientific Philosopher Julian Barbour and David Deutsch whose theory of time is very similar. Both incorporate the Many Worlds Theory of QM. There are other less supported theories or maybe you have your own? Please expand on any theory of time or related subject.

Lastly there are notes usually to define a word or concept indicated by the ****'s asterisks after a word or phrase.


NOTES;

*..... Space Time and time are different. Space time' is the theory that time and space are 'woven' together, and usually represented as an upper case 'T' in scientific papers or general correspondence among scientist's or scientifically minded people. The other time is intuitive time that seems to flow. Its denoted as a lower case 't' when possible.

**... TOE/GUT (also ToE)... The GUT theory is a theory that combines three of the four fundamental forces together, called Grand Unified Theory. A TOE is The Theory of Everything meaning a unified theory of all physical fields, including gravity. In principle, if a ToE were formulated it would be possible to derive every other natural law from them, including all the laws nature!

The end...... : {> ~

Our perception of time is an abstraction, based on our lifespan being between 70 and 80 years.

...In the grand scheme, the big bang just occured, and we are flying through space at an immense speed from that explosion.

Things merely 'look' still... Because our lifespans are short.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

No, Time is real, it was on Dark Side of the Moon

I asked and time said we never even went to the moon.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Yes and No
Time is subjectively real. Objectively, it's "real" in a way, but not as we perceive it.

I think time is real, but its obvious we can only perceive time as it was in the past. By that I mean there is a delay of time it takes our senses interpret an event and recognize it as real and the current moment. By then the universe has already moved ahead if only in nano-seconds towards the future. according to the universe

 

[Cooky]

Abstract thinking is essentially understanding things by reducing them to the human level -comparing them to other things humans have established as plausible.

We do this with time at a subconscious level, as an instinct, not even acknowledging the we've done it. When we view time, we base it on our lifespans, because that's all we know how to do.

But realistically, time would be percieved very differently by a conscious being from somewhere far away, with a totally different abstraction of thought, in a totally different environment.

 

[Valjean]

No, it's not a atter of lifespan or sensory delay. Time really is entirely different from what we perceive it to be.

Our senses do not paint an accurate picture of reality. They're electrochemical impulses from which our brains cobble together abstractions enabling us to navigate the world.

A pilot can land a plane by instrument on a moonless night, but those dials and indicators, however utilitarian, bear no resemblance to what he'd see if he looked out of the window at noon.

 

[susanblange]

The concept of time, or space Time* is after religious beliefs and questions about God are what I think about when spare time allows. It's so very obvious that Time* as explained to the masses by the scientific community and by Philosophers is either wrong or incomplete. As I said I believe some theories are more incomplete than wrong. For instance Einstein, Gödel travel (closed timelike curves) aren't wrong but their theories of spacetime where Gödel collaborated with Einstein are probably incomplete due to a failure to incorporate quantum theory in the theories that concerns Time. My current personal ideas concerning the nature of time may be even less complete or more in error as the current scientific view! According to scientists and philosophers who research the subject of 'Time' and formulating an accurate theory etc is very problematic. Formulating a TOE&Unified theory that includes time is impossible! So scientists and Philosophers have competing theories and hypotheses describing time and space Time* including peripheral subjects.

I believe if a true and complete theory of time can be formulated a leprechaunish rainbow will form leading our scientific establishment to not a pot of gold but something far more important. That rainbow will lead to a TOE and a GUT** (see notes). Will a TOE & GUT complete science and explain everything in the Universe? No. But maybe, just maybe, when Science has a 'true' and complete TOE/GUT it will provide the ground work to understand the remaining 94+% of the Universe! That 94+% is composed of Dark Matter and energy, if our science is capable of explaining what that stuff is, the things the human race can do will be 'God like' imo. Ok, so the questions/talking points are if anyone dares;

(1)....... Do you believe ; The A-theory now called "Presentism". Presentism states only the present is objectively real. This is the view most coherent with most (indeterministic) interpretations of quantum mechanics. Indeterministic quantum theory supports parallel universe and the Many Worlds Theory.

(2).......B-theory is re-formulated and updated into "Eternalism", or the "block-universe" view. This is the view naturally arising from the usual presentations of special and general relativity. My ideas such as they are employ the B theory.

(3.)..... Other, which include but not limited to; Time is an illusion, supported by Scientific Philosopher Julian Barbour and David Deutsch whose theory of time is very similar. Both incorporate the Many Worlds Theory of QM. There are other less supported theories or maybe you have your own? Please expand on any theory of time or related subject.

Lastly there are notes usually to define a word or concept indicated by the ****'s asterisks after a word or phrase.


NOTES;

*..... Space Time and time are different. Space time' is the theory that time and space are 'woven' together, and usually represented as an upper case 'T' in scientific papers or general correspondence among scientist's or scientifically minded people. The other time is intuitive time that seems to flow. Its denoted as a lower case 't' when possible.

**... TOE/GUT (also ToE)... The GUT theory is a theory that combines three of the four fundamental forces together, called Grand Unified Theory. A TOE is The Theory of Everything meaning a unified theory of all physical fields, including gravity. In principle, if a ToE were formulated it would be possible to derive every other natural law from them, including all the laws nature!

The end...... : {> ~

Time is circular. It has a beginning but has no end. The first is also the last, Alpha and Omega. One spin of the earth on its axis is one day, one rotation of the moon around the earth is one month, one orbit of the earth around the sun is one year.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's just a yardstick that measures process (or the lack of). There really isn't time in terms of true chronology.

Four people in a dark room without stimulis whom were asked how many hours have passed would provide different answers each time.

 

[Nakosis]

The concept of time, or space Time* is after religious beliefs and questions about God are what I think about when spare time allows. It's so very obvious that Time* as explained to the masses by the scientific community and by Philosophers is either wrong or incomplete. As I said I believe some theories are more incomplete than wrong. For instance Einstein, Gödel travel (closed timelike curves) aren't wrong but their theories of spacetime where Gödel collaborated with Einstein are probably incomplete due to a failure to incorporate quantum theory in the theories that concerns Time. My current personal ideas concerning the nature of time may be even less complete or more in error as the current scientific view! According to scientists and philosophers who research the subject of 'Time' and formulating an accurate theory etc is very problematic. Formulating a TOE&Unified theory that includes time is impossible! So scientists and Philosophers have competing theories and hypotheses describing time and space Time* including peripheral subjects.

I believe if a true and complete theory of time can be formulated a leprechaunish rainbow will form leading our scientific establishment to not a pot of gold but something far more important. That rainbow will lead to a TOE and a GUT** (see notes). Will a TOE & GUT complete science and explain everything in the Universe? No. But maybe, just maybe, when Science has a 'true' and complete TOE/GUT it will provide the ground work to understand the remaining 94+% of the Universe! That 94+% is composed of Dark Matter and energy, if our science is capable of explaining what that stuff is, the things the human race can do will be 'God like' imo. Ok, so the questions/talking points are if anyone dares;

(1)....... Do you believe ; The A-theory now called "Presentism". Presentism states only the present is objectively real. This is the view most coherent with most (indeterministic) interpretations of quantum mechanics. Indeterministic quantum theory supports parallel universe and the Many Worlds Theory.

(2).......B-theory is re-formulated and updated into "Eternalism", or the "block-universe" view. This is the view naturally arising from the usual presentations of special and general relativity. My ideas such as they are employ the B theory.

(3.)..... Other, which include but not limited to; Time is an illusion, supported by Scientific Philosopher Julian Barbour and David Deutsch whose theory of time is very similar. Both incorporate the Many Worlds Theory of QM. There are other less supported theories or maybe you have your own? Please expand on any theory of time or related subject.

Lastly there are notes usually to define a word or concept indicated by the ****'s asterisks after a word or phrase.


NOTES;

*..... Space Time and time are different. Space time' is the theory that time and space are 'woven' together, and usually represented as an upper case 'T' in scientific papers or general correspondence among scientist's or scientifically minded people. The other time is intuitive time that seems to flow. Its denoted as a lower case 't' when possible.

**... TOE/GUT (also ToE)... The GUT theory is a theory that combines three of the four fundamental forces together, called Grand Unified Theory. A TOE is The Theory of Everything meaning a unified theory of all physical fields, including gravity. In principle, if a ToE were formulated it would be possible to derive every other natural law from them, including all the laws nature!

The end...... : {> ~

To me time is as real as an inch. It is a unit of measurement that for all practical human purposes it make sense to believe in. Got to be to work on time, got to pay your bills by a certain date.

Doesn't really matter whether time is "real" or "imaginary". What matters is the belief that it is real.

A plank of wood is real. You use inches to define it for other purposes. However inch is not actually an inherent property of the wood.

IMO, time has no inherent physical properties. It is just a measurement of change. Change has physical properties. Time is just a measurement used to define/categorize an instance of change.

Of course one can't disprove the existence of something that has no physical properties so one cannot disprove time's existence. However for practical purposes, time's physical existence is irrelevant.

 

[Cooky]

No, it's not a atter of lifespan or sensory delay. Time really is entirely different from what we perceive it to be.

Our senses do not paint an accurate picture of reality. They're electrochemical impulses from which our brains cobble together abstractions enabling us to navigate the world.

A pilot can land a plane by instrument on a moonless night, but those dials and indicators, however utilitarian, bear no resemblance to what he'd see if he looked out of the window at noon.

You claim to disagree with me, but essentially you don't, according to your post.

 

[Cooky]

To me time is as real as an inch. It is a unit of measurement that for all practical human purposes it make sense to believe in. Got to be to work on time, got to pay your bills by a certain date.

Doesn't really matter whether time is "real" or "imaginary". What matters is the belief that it is real.

A plank of wood is real. You use inches to define it for other purposes. However inch is not actually an inherent property of the wood.

IMO, time has no inherent physical properties. It is just a measurement of change. Change has physical properties. Time is just a measurement used to define/categorize an instance of change.

Of course one can't disprove the existence of something that has no physical properties so one cannot disprove time's existence. However for practical purposes, time's physical existence is irrelevant.

Explaining time always goes circular. By the time you figure out that it's real, you come to realize that it's actually not. And by realizing that it's not, you'll come to realize that it is.

...Don't believe me? Stick around, and bookmark the thread, and I guarantee you'll change your mind more than once. It happens all the time.

 

[Cooky]

No, Time is real, it was on Dark Side of the Moon

Time is a total paradox.