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Female Pastors? is it Biblical

101G

Well-Known Member
Oh sorry. I thought you created the OP to discuss the topic.
My apologies. I guess I should leave now, as I am not allowed to ask you questions concerning your post.
Have a good time.
Peace
Leaving? no problem, there's more for others.

PICJAG.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
To fully understand this question of “female pastors”, one must understand what Joel the prophet said, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."
This was fulfilled on Pentecost. And the Gifts, (the Pastoral) Gifts is right in Joel 2:28 & 29. also the gift Peter used on the day of Pentecost are all there in Joel, but it’s Spiritually discern

PICJAG.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
Opinions are not needed, only scriptures to prove your point. I use the term "Female" only as a reference point for understanding. because there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus.

With that said, "Can holy women/females in Christ be pastors, bishops, and overseers in the body, the Church that he the Lord Jesus built?". if one have a view, or comment, pro, or con, let them be posted with supportive scripture to establish the claim.

Let's set some terms before we discuss.

A. what is the function, or the WORK, of a biblical pastor? scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."

B. Women are prophets, and prophets are "Ordain" in the Church. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."
the term "set" in the verse is also translated as Ordain".

PICJAG.
Where in 1 Corinthians 12:28 does it claim that any of the prophets are women?

Isn't that your opinion, which you expressly forbade anyone from sharing?
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Where in 1 Corinthians 12:28 does it claim that any of the prophets are women?

Isn't that your opinion, which you expressly forbade anyone from sharing?
no it's not my opinion, 1 Corinthians 12:28 states prophet. and a prophetess is a female prophet, as a male is a prophet. BINGO. so again, no opinion just fact.

PICJAG.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
To all who cannot comprehend the, “Female” Pastors, it’s right before your eyes, but one need the Spirit to reveal it. For pastoring is a “GIFT”, and the GIFT is God, JESUS, himself, the Holy Spirit. For there is only ONE PASTOR in the church of the Lord Jesus and he himself is this gift. when he was poured out on Pentecost the Pastoral Gift was given. And all the gifts are listed in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 with the Pastoral gift first on the list.

And the Gift is JESUS, the Lord in his glorified state, Per John 14:16

PICJAG.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Thanks for your reply, but a question, "was not Paul who wrote this was a Bishop/Pastor himself?, yes, and he was not Married". supportive scripture. 1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

here the apostle identify himself 1. as a Prophet, "And though I have the gift of prophecy" . also 2. he states that he's a Bishop/Pastor, "and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge" for pastors are to feed with "knowledge and understanding", see Jer 3:15. so your position on the subject is not qualified.

PICJAG.

I don't understand your objection above.

Paul was likely a widower (he writes about sexual intimacy between married couples with authority and clearly, personal experience), but the "one wife" is a limiter to males, obviously, on its face. There are further explanations that the pastor/elder is to be his family's leader, confer with male family headship elsewhere throughout both testaments.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Husband and wife , male and female have different meanings in Paul's language. Here is an example:
25"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30because we are members of His body. 31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband." Only starting v. 33 he speaks about genders. The rest is about human spirit-soul natures
(division).

Verses 25-33 are clearly about all Christian marriages, and are not specifically proscriptive or descriptive of what constitutes a pastor.

What was indeed specified is that an elder may have one wife (or no wife) forcing either an acceptance of lesbian elders (in the ancient world where homosexual marriage was disallowed) or male elders only.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Verses 25-33 are clearly about all Christian marriages, and are not specifically proscriptive or descriptive of what constitutes a pastor.

What was indeed specified is that an elder may have one wife (or no wife) forcing either an acceptance of lesbian elders (in the ancient world where homosexual marriage was disallowed) or male elders only.
" 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. "
 

101G

Well-Known Member
I don't understand your objection above.

Paul was likely a widower (he writes about sexual intimacy between married couples with authority and clearly, personal experience), but the "one wife" is a limiter to males, obviously, on its face. There are further explanations that the pastor/elder is to be his family's leader, confer with male family headship elsewhere throughout both testaments.
First, thanks for the reply, second, my Objective is that these qualification was directed at men who desire the office. NOT CALLED OF GOD FOR THE POSITION, BUT DESIRED THE OFFICE. For if it was directed at women, then it would have been the wife of ONE HUSBAND, see it now.

Understand, if the qualification was to be married only, (which it don’t say that), then many would have not been in that position (who was single). Peter was an Elder who is a overseer, that is a bishop, and pastor and he was married. Supportive scriptures, 1 Peter 5:1 "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:"
And elders are overseers who are bishops that feed the flock of God. (see Acts 20:28).

Paul himself who was in that same position, a bishop/Pastor/Overseer he was not married. (see 1 Corinthians 13:2).

So one can see from context of scriptures that the qualification is just directed at males, no directed at everyone.

PICJAG.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Why not?
You believe anything you want to believe the Bible says.

And what's really ironic about this is that you believe that the RCC has the magical power to decide which Scripture is really from God and dismiss the rest as non-canical. But when the Pope says things you prefer not to believe you just dismiss it.
Tom
 

101G

Well-Known Member
I don't remember pastors, of any gender, being mentioned in the Bible.

Show me what I missed.
Tom
first thanks for your reply, second, yes, Pastors have Gender, but in christ there is neither male and female. but I addressed that in the OP. now the term Pastor, it is the greek word,
G4166 ποιμήν poimen (poi-meen') n.
a shepherd.
{literally or figuratively}
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: shepherd, pastor

starting with the OT a woman shepherd, Genesis 29:9 "And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep: for she kept them." that's a natural Pastor, now spiritual Pastors. Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.". so a bibical Pastor is a Gift of the Spirit, God. and as stated Pastors feed the flock of God with "Knowledge" and "Understanding".
Now ne testament both man and women are Pastors. scripture, amoung the many hats that the apostle Paul wore, he was a pastor also. 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." here the apostle tells us that he is also a Pastor, and a prophet, because he also have the gift of prophecy. now a female "bishop"/PASTOR, Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" the term "helper here is the Greek word
G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow

do you know what "coadjutor" means? look it up, it means a bishop who helps another bishop with the right of succession. while online you can quickly go to dictionary.com and look up the word.

so right there in the book of Romans you have a female Pastor/bishop. and you do know that she and her husband corrected/fed the minister apollos , read starting at Acts 18:24.

PICJAG.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
" 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. "

The mystery is revealed in the passage, Jesus and believers is pleasure, like a married couple experience--intense pleasure. The passage has NOTHING to do with an elder "being the husband of [one or less female wives]."
 

leov

Well-Known Member
The mystery is revealed in the passage, Jesus and believers is pleasure, like a married couple experience--intense pleasure. The passage has NOTHING to do with an elder "being the husband of [one or less female wives]."
what about fighting and dovorces? and Jesus and Paul suggesting not to get married at all?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
First, thanks for the reply, second, my Objective is that these qualification was directed at men who desire the office. NOT CALLED OF GOD FOR THE POSITION, BUT DESIRED THE OFFICE. For if it was directed at women, then it would have been the wife of ONE HUSBAND, see it now.

Understand, if the qualification was to be married only, (which it don’t say that), then many would have not been in that position (who was single). Peter was an Elder who is a overseer, that is a bishop, and pastor and he was married. Supportive scriptures, 1 Peter 5:1 "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:"
And elders are overseers who are bishops that feed the flock of God. (see Acts 20:28).

Paul himself who was in that same position, a bishop/Pastor/Overseer he was not married. (see 1 Corinthians 13:2).

So one can see from context of scriptures that the qualification is just directed at males, no directed at everyone.

PICJAG.

No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul). The word "elder" appears many times in both testaments, always male. You are forgetting other scriptures teaching the complementarian view of headship as well as specific "he must be, he must, he must..." elder verses, never "she" or "they" or "people".
 

101G

Well-Known Member
No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul). The word "elder" appears many times in both testaments, always male. You are forgetting other scriptures teaching the complementarian view of headship as well as specific "he must be, he must, he must..." elder verses, never "she" or "they" or "people".
first thanks for the reply, second, correct, "No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul)", I believe I have said that, thanks.
"elders" only refere to males, lets see, 1 Timothy 5:2 "The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.". but if you refer in authority, only God is the authority and women was in authority OT as well as NT, so that assessment want fly. as to headship, in a marriage, but is they, the husband and wife not ONE?. headship is not rulership. headship in marrage is the first to serve. for they are one, and the wife equally "help" the husband. so that headship want fly either.

but what will fly is this, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

PICJAG.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
first thanks for the reply, second, correct, "No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul)", I believe I have said that, thanks.
"elders" only refere to males, lets see, 1 Timothy 5:2 "The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.". but if you refer in authority, only God is the authority and women was in authority OT as well as NT, so that assessment want fly. as to headship, in a marriage, but is they, the husband and wife not ONE?. headship is not rulership. headship in marrage is the first to serve. for they are one, and the wife equally "help" the husband. so that headship want fly either.

but what will fly is this, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

PICJAG.

An "elder" is a synonym for pastor, bishop and presbyter. The last three are men only.

In what sense is their neither male nor female? Are you familiar with the Talmudic practice of praying to thank God one is a free male Jew? Is the Bible describing gender and sexual fluidity here? Can you think of any other verses where there are men and women who have different roles?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
What do those things have to do with the Bible says "an elder can have one wife or none, therefore, an elder must be male"?
You missed my point, male female as natural - spiritual relations (1Cor2). and husband - wife relations.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
no it's not my opinion, 1 Corinthians 12:28 states prophet. and a prophetess is a female prophet, as a male is a prophet. BINGO. so again, no opinion just fact.

PICJAG.
Yet that verse does not say "prophetesses" or "female prophets". It says "prophets"

And, as you said, the term "prophet" applies to a male.

This verse claims that God has set up men who are prophets. Not women.
 
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