Female Pastors? is it Biblical

[JerusalemBull]

Recently we used to see many in Jerusalem..caught one on Social media looking for BF?

 

[nPeace]

based on what scripture?.

PICJAG.

1 Corinthians 11:2-10
According to this scripture, why does the woman need to cover her head, when praying and or prophesying in the congregation?
The scriptures answer. It is a sign of authority. Since she is now taking on a role not assigned to women - that of taking the lead in the congregation. This is a visible sign, even to angels.
A woman who does this, is acknowledging the headship arrangement in the congregation, which is authorized by God - verse 3.

 

[101G]

1 Corinthians 11:2-10
According to this scripture, why does the woman need to cover her head, when praying and or prophesying in the congregation?
The scriptures answer. It is a sign of authority. Since she is now taking on a role not assigned to women - that of taking the lead in the congregation. This is a visible sign, even to angels.
A woman who does this, is acknowledging the headship arrangement in the congregation, which is authorized by God - verse 3.

Lets address this headship. not authority, but source. and with source comes responsibility 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." did you notice anything about this scripture? titles are used. hence indicating source. notice, the head of every man is CHRIST, why not say the head of every man is JESUS? for if it was authority then every man would be in obedience, and we know this is not true. again source. the head of the woman is the man? but did not the bible say, "let the wives be SUBJECT to their "OWN" husband? so how can my wife be subject to another man husband? see it now, no, again source. and the head of Christ is God. notice it said "Christ" why not say "JESUS", because JESUS is GOD. again source. let's understand the "SOURCE". have you ever heard this, there is a spring that is the river "head". other word the "Source" of the river is a spring. now knowing this, lets re-examine verse three. the head of every man is Christ. Christ is God in flesh who made all things including man. from God comes man. the head of the woman is the man. the woman was taken out of man, again source. and the head of Christ is God. notice the head of CHRIST, not the head of JESUS, for Jesus is Christ. but that body which is christ that the Spirit came in, or manifested in is FROM God/Jesus himself. so the "headship" is the source.lets make it plain, scripture, 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." see by being formed first and she being formed from him he has a responsibility to Eve his wife to teach, protect, care for her well being, or it's called responsibility. by being first he have a responsibility to those after him. lets give an example. in a family, lets say of five, when father and mother leave the house what happens? they put the OLDEST/First born in charge, meaning they have the "responsibility" to look after or care for their sibling until dad and mom return. by being the oldest/first, just as Adam was formed first, he have the responsibility, not rulership, but responsibility. which comes righ back to "FIRST" to "SERVE". this is what headship is about. not rulership, but responsibility beacuse you're the head, or source in rank. servitude.
PICJAG.

 

[nPeace]

Lets address this headship. not authority, but source. and with source comes responsibility 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." did you notice anything about this scripture? titles are used. hence indicating source. notice, the head of every man is CHRIST, why not say the head of every man is JESUS? for if it was authority then every man would be in obedience, and we know this is not true. again source. the head of the woman is the man? but did not the bible say, "let the wives be SUBJECT to their "OWN" husband? so how can my wife be subject to another man husband? see it now, no, again source. and the head of Christ is God. notice it said "Christ" why not say "JESUS", because JESUS is GOD. again source. let's understand the "SOURCE". have you ever heard this, there is a spring that is the river "head". other word the "Source" of the river is a spring. now knowing this, lets re-examine verse three. the head of every man is Christ. Christ is God in flesh who made all things including man. from God comes man. the head of the woman is the man. the woman was taken out of man, again source. and the head of Christ is God. notice the head of CHRIST, not the head of JESUS, for Jesus is Christ. but that body which is christ that the Spirit came in, or manifested in is FROM God/Jesus himself. so the "headship" is the source.lets make it plain, scripture, 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." see by being formed first and she being formed from him he has a responsibility to Eve his wife to teach, protect, care for her well being, or it's called responsibility. by being first he have a responsibility to those after him. lets give an example. in a family, lets say of five, when father and mother leave the house what happens? they put the OLDEST/First born in charge, meaning they have the "responsibility" to look after or care for their sibling until dad and mom return. by being the oldest/first, just as Adam was formed first, he have the responsibility, not rulership, but responsibility. which comes righ back to "FIRST" to "SERVE". this is what headship is about. not rulership, but responsibility beacuse you're the head, or source in rank. servitude.
PICJAG.

Did you address the matter of head covering, and what it meant? I'm sorry if I missed it, but I am not seeing that you did. Do you think you can address that?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

because there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus

Then there's no reason for the question as gender is irrelevant.

 

[101G]

Then there's no reason for the question as gender is irrelevant.

First thanks for the reply we agree with you, especially in the NT.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Did you address the matter of head covering, and what it meant? I'm sorry if I missed it, but I am not seeing that you did. Do you think you can address that?

sure we'll make it quick and to the point. 1 Corinthians 11:15 "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." notice the "IF", what "if" she had short, or no hair due to illness? what then. for "if" a woman had LONG hair it's her, her, her, ... glory. that should answer the question. understand, that's in the natural. but in the Spirit, here covering is the Spirit as well as everyone else. to end the argument, the very next verse clear it up for us, listen. 1 Corinthians 11:16 "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."

that word "contentious" is the Greek word, G5380 φιλόνεικος philoneikos (fiy-lo'-nei-kos) adj.
fond of strife, i.e. disputatious.
[from G5384 and neikos “a quarrel” (probably akin to G3534)]
KJV: contentious

other word the apostle is saying if there a problem in covering it's not worth fighting over, "we have no such custom, neither the churches of God". well that nipped that in the bud.

PICJAG.

PS, let me say this, if one put all these scriptures together, one will see the true relationship of men and women, married, or not, in and outside of the congergation/church.

PICJAG.

 

[nPeace]

sure we'll make it quick and to the point. 1 Corinthians 11:15 "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." notice the "IF", what "if" she had short, or no hair due to illness? what then. for "if" a woman had LONG hair it's her, her, her, ... glory. that should answer the question. understand, that's in the natural. but in the Spirit, here covering is the Spirit as well as everyone else. to end the argument, the very next verse clear it up for us, listen. 1 Corinthians 11:16 "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."

that word "contentious" is the Greek word, G5380 φιλόνεικος philoneikos (fiy-lo'-nei-kos) adj.
fond of strife, i.e. disputatious.
[from G5384 and neikos “a quarrel” (probably akin to G3534)]
KJV: contentious

other word the apostle is saying if there a problem in covering it's not worth fighting over, "we have no such custom, neither the churches of God". well that nipped that in the bud.

PICJAG.

PS, let me say this, if one put all these scriptures together, one will see the true relationship of men and women, married, or not, in and outside of the congergation/church.

PICJAG.

Why all these ideas, views, and opinions 101G. I though you said that was a no no. Recall, you made the rule, and i agree with it.
The scripture plainly gave the answer. See exousia
The head covering serves as a sign of authority. Do you agree with that?
Why does a woman need to have that sign of authority when praying and prophesying in the congregation?

 

[101G]

Why all these ideas, views, and opinions 101G. I though you said that was a no no. Recall, you made the rule, and i agree with it.
The scripture plainly gave the answer. See exousia
The head covering serves as a sign of authority. Do you agree with that?
Why does a woman need to have that sign of authority when praying and prophesying in the congregation?

as said, scriptures are not my opinions, if you have any contention, take it up with the one who wrote his opinion ...... God. that's why I said no opinions needed, only scripture.

PICJAG.

 

[nPeace]

as said, scriptures are not my opinions, if you have any contention, take it up with the one who wrote his opinion ...... God. that's why I said no opinions needed, only scripture.

PICJAG.

That's a very strange response. Have I offended you in any way?
As a man of holy spirit, are you not able to answer these questions concerning the response to your OP?

 

[101G]

That's a very strange response. Have I offended you in any way?
As a man of holy spirit, are you not able to answer these questions concerning the response to your OP?

I'm sorry if it seems strange to, just being truthful.

second, you cannot offend me.

Third, I’m not going to speak presumptuous as false prophets do. I will not sit here and tell anyone I know everything about God, because I don’t. I can speak only what God have taught me. Now if there is a question you want to know, well how come you can’t go to God and ask him for yourself?. not meaning to be offensive, but the scriptures states, God will teach you. We are here to discuss, not to see if one knows more than the other.

Now if there is something you want to know, and if I can help you fine, if not, I suggest you Go to God.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Let’s look at other women in the Ministry

Philippians 4:1 "Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved." Philippians 4:2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord." Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

These women and other was laboring in the Gospel, and not laboring in the Kitchen. Plain and clear.

PICJAG.

 

[Muffled]

I believe it is better to have a male pastor but the following verse leaves the door open for female pastors:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

There are examples of women prophets... Deborah is the best example, tho. Not just a prophet, but an official Judge.

"According to the Book of Judges, Deborah (Hebrew: דְּבוֹרָה, Dəḇōrāh, "bee"; Arabic: دبوراه‎, Dabūrāh) was a prophetess of the God of the Israelites, the fourth Judge of pre-monarchic Israel and the only female judge mentioned in the Bible"

( source )

I believe that is a sad commentary on the males of her time and she acknowledges that.

 

[101G]

I believe it is better to have a male pastor but the following verse leaves the door open for female pastors:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

first thank for the reply, second, why do you "believe" that male pastors are better? do you have scripture for that?
PICJAG

 

[Deeje]

GINOLJC...
PICJAG.

Just out of curiosity, what do these strange words mean?

 

[101G]

GINOLJC...
PICJAG.

Just out of curiosity, what do these strange words mean?

they are not words, but a greeting and closing acronym.

the Greeting acronym, GINOLJC
Greeting
In
the
Name
Of
the
Lord
Jesus
the
Christ

No "T" in the word the, because no more cross

the closer acronym, PICJAG
Peace
In
Christ
Jesus
the
Almighty
God

 

[Deeje]

GINOLJC...
PICJAG.

they are not words, but a greeting and closing acronym.

the Greeting acronym, GINOLJC
Greeting
In
the
Name
Of
the
Lord
Jesus
the
Christ

No "T" in the word the, because no more cross

the closer acronym, PICJAG
Peace
In
Christ
Jesus
the
Almighty
God

Thank you for explaining.....it just helps to rule out alien interference in our forums...

 

[Deeje]

Let’s look at other women in the Ministry

Philippians 4:1 "Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved." Philippians 4:2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord." Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

These women and other was laboring in the Gospel, and not laboring in the Kitchen. Plain and clear.

PICJAG.

You are getting lost in definitions again.....you are describing women who were preachers of the good news.....not women who were competing with men for positions of authority in the congregation. These women could do all manner of things in connection with the furthering of the Christian message, but never could they usurp the positions where authority was exercised over men, such as in cases of discipline. The men would never have accepted counsel from a woman. The man was head of the woman as Christ is head of the man.

A priest is in no position to exercise headship over a high priest. In heaven, even though there is no gender, there is only one high priest and that is Jesus Christ. Those ruling with him are under his headship and Christ in turn, is under the headship of his Father.

 

[nPeace]

I'm sorry if it seems strange to, just being truthful.

second, you cannot offend me.

Third, I’m not going to speak presumptuous as false prophets do. I will not sit here and tell anyone I know everything about God, because I don’t. I can speak only what God have taught me. Now if there is a question you want to know, well how come you can’t go to God and ask him for yourself?. not meaning to be offensive, but the scriptures states, God will teach you. We are here to discuss, not to see if one knows more than the other.

Now if there is something you want to know, and if I can help you fine, if not, I suggest you Go to God.

PICJAG.

Oh sorry. I thought you created the OP to discuss the topic.
My apologies. I guess I should leave now, as I am not allowed to ask you questions concerning your post.
Have a good time.
Peace