CMB Electro Magnetic waves only seen on earth

[dad]

Wrong. 5000 years or less, isn’t in the far past, not even for Earth.

The years science uses are faith based only. They are based on assuming nature was always the same..hence, radioactive decay and etc etc. I am talking real time. My current guess as to when the flood was, is somewhere near the time the KT layer was laid down. In imaginary so called science religious dream years, that was something like almost 70 million years ago. In real time, Noah lived at the same time as Abraham, they were contemporary, so it wasn't all that long ago!

 

[dad]

Wow, you really talk a lot, that’s BS talk.

Above your paygrade and comprehension ability. OK.

And the Bible deal in mostly myths and fables. The Bible is neither science textbook, nor historical records, they are stories with very little in accuracy.

Your opinion of Scripture is frankly not worth debating.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Very close when talking about thousands of years (light years) means nothing. Man has not even sent a half witted probe even to one light day yet!

However the spectral light from the universe has undoubtedly reached us. We are already looking into the past and I'm having a difficult time in discerning what's different than, to what's different now.

Is there any anomaly out there that you can point to specifically?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quote the relevant passage. The light comes TO earth (or at least the solar system area where it is then seen. Not sure what you are missing here. Anything IN the fishbowl works on fishbowl time. Now prove that the rest of the universe does also. Seeing something HERE take so much time tells us about here.

Just admit that you did not understand the article. I am not doing all of your homework for you.

And "fishbowl" is a losing term for you. You put yourself in a fishbowl. Others do not. If you want to claim a fishbowl the burden of proof is upon you.

 

[sealchan]

You seem to be tacitly admitting you do not have any ability to test what time is like in deep space. Ha.

How do you know we aren't in deep space right now?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you know we aren't in deep space right now?

dad may believe in a "firmament" . He might even believe in a Flat Earth.

 

[sealchan]

dad may believe in a "firmament" . He might even believe in a Flat Earth.

Yeah, I saw that creeping out underneath the attempt to be purely logical.

 

[exchemist]

You may have Native in your woo ignore list, but I think I might be in Native’s ignore list.

I'm sure you can live with that.

 

[gnostic]

Our planet has a magnetic core.

I don't see what the big deal is with this. Of course we would have EM waves.

It is not the Earth's core creating the magnetic fields.

Do you remember when you were kid, you could magnetize metal, by simply rubbing coarse cloth against the metal?

This created a temporary magnetic fields.

The same thing is happening in the Earth's upper mantle (the layer below the Earth's crust).

The magnetic fields are generated when the convective currents of molten iron are circulating through the upper mantle.

But it isn't the only cause of the Earth's magnetic fields. The other cause is the Earth rotating on its axis; this would also generate magnetic fields.

 

[paarsurrey]

dad may believe in a "firmament" . He might even believe in a Flat Earth.

"Flat Earth"

The truthful Religion never gave the concept of flat Earth. It is fictional. Right, please?

Regards
___________________
“The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in Europe.*”
*Main, Douglas (28 January 2016). “Even in the Middle Ages, People Didn’t Think the Earth was Flat”. Newsweek. Retrieved 26 April 2019.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

“The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper’s History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White’s A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict.*”
* James Hannam. “Science Versus Christianity?”.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Flat Earth"

The truthful Religion never gave the concept of flat Earth. It is fictional. Right, please?

Regards
___________________
“The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in Europe.*”
*Main, Douglas (28 January 2016). “Even in the Middle Ages, People Didn’t Think the Earth was Flat”. Newsweek. Retrieved 26 April 2019.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

“The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper’s History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White’s A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict.*”
* James Hannam. “Science Versus Christianity?”.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

Not at all. One can tell that the writers of the Old Testamen at least believed in a Flat Earth. The Bible is only described as Flat in both word and deed. That is not saying anything bad about the writers since a Flat Earth belief was typical of the area at that time. One has to distort what the Old Testament says to use it to argue it supports a spherical Earth.

 

[paarsurrey]

Not at all. One can tell that the writers of the Old Testamen at least believed in a Flat Earth. The Bible is only described as Flat in both word and deed. That is not saying anything bad about the writers since a Flat Earth belief was typical of the area at that time. One has to distort what the Old Testament says to use it to argue it supports a spherical Earth.

Quran- the pristine and secure Word of G-d does not mention it. If somebody understand as such it is wrong understanding. Right, please?
Please quote from Bible to enable Bible believers to defend it or otherwise, please.

Regards

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quran- the pristine and secure Word of G-d does not mention it. If somebody understand as such it is wrong understanding. Right, please?
Please quote from Bible to enable Bible believers to defend it or otherwise, please.

Regards

Are you sure about that? Are you trying to say that it changed the accounts of the Old Testament?


Quite a few of the verses in the Quran imply a Flat Earth as well:

Qur'anic scientific errors - RationalWiki

 

[paarsurrey]

Are you sure about that? Are you trying to say that it changed the accounts of the Old Testament?


Quite a few of the verses in the Quran imply a Flat Earth as well:

Qur'anic scientific errors - RationalWiki

I will only vindicate* sincerely what is mentioned in Quran- the pristine,preserved and secure Word of G-d.
I wonder for the those who assign themselves to science but their understanding of religious text is unscientific.
I leave OT Bible and NT Bible to be vindicated by its believers, if they so like to, please. Right, please?

Please quote the verse along-with the verses in the context, some verses preceding and some following in Arabic text of Quran for correct understanding, please. Right, please?

Regards
____________________
* "The triliteral root fā rā shīn (ف ر ش) occurs six times in the Quran, in four derived forms:

• once as the form I verb farash (فَرَشْ)
• once as the noun farāsh (فَرَاش)
• three times as the noun firāsh (فِرَٰش)
• once as the noun farsh (فَرْش)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.
Verb (form I) - to spread
(51:48:2) farashnāhā We have spread it وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَاهِدُونَ
Noun
(101:4:4) kal-farāshi like moths يَوْمَ يَكُونُ النَّاسُ كَالْفَرَاشِ الْمَبْثُوثِ
Noun
(2:22:5) firāshan a resting place الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
(55:54:3) furushin couches مُتَّكِئِينَ عَلَىٰ فُرُشٍ بَطَائِنُهَا مِنْ إِسْتَبْرَقٍ وَجَنَى الْجَنَّتَيْنِ دَانٍ
(56:34:1) wafurushin And (on) couches وَفُرُشٍ مَرْفُوعَةٍ
Noun
(6:142:4) wafarshan and (some for) meat وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ حَمُولَةً وَفَرْشًا كُلُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Dictionary"
"53 English translations of Quran verse 2:22
al-Baqarah 2:22"
"53 English translations of Quran verse 51:48
adh-Dhariyat 51:48"
"وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا
And the earth we spread it"
https://www.google.com/search?q=GoogleTranslate&oq=GoogleTranslate&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.18031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
Who made the land for you a bed and heaven accordingly."
https://www.google.com/search?q=Goo....69i57j0l5.18031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Subduction Zone]

I will only vindicate* sincerely what is mentioned in Quran- the pristine,preserved and secure Word of G-d.
I wonder for the those who assign themselves to science but their understanding of religious text is unscientific.
I leave OT Bible and NT Bible to be vindicated by its believers, if they so like to, please. Right, please?

Please quote the verse along-with the verses in the context, some verses preceding and some following in Arabic text of Quran for correct understanding, please. Right, please?

Regards
____________________
* "The triliteral root fā rā shīn (ف ر ش) occurs six times in the Quran, in four derived forms:

• once as the form I verb farash (فَرَشْ)
• once as the noun farāsh (فَرَاش)
• three times as the noun firāsh (فِرَٰش)
• once as the noun farsh (فَرْش)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.
Verb (form I) - to spread
(51:48:2) farashnāhā We have spread it وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَاهِدُونَ
Noun
(101:4:4) kal-farāshi like moths يَوْمَ يَكُونُ النَّاسُ كَالْفَرَاشِ الْمَبْثُوثِ
Noun
(2:22:5) firāshan a resting place الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
(55:54:3) furushin couches مُتَّكِئِينَ عَلَىٰ فُرُشٍ بَطَائِنُهَا مِنْ إِسْتَبْرَقٍ وَجَنَى الْجَنَّتَيْنِ دَانٍ
(56:34:1) wafurushin And (on) couches وَفُرُشٍ مَرْفُوعَةٍ
Noun
(6:142:4) wafarshan and (some for) meat وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ حَمُولَةً وَفَرْشًا كُلُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Dictionary"
"53 English translations of Quran verse 2:22
al-Baqarah 2:22"
"53 English translations of Quran verse 51:48
adh-Dhariyat 51:48"
"وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا
And the earth we spread it"
https://www.google.com/search?q=GoogleTranslate&oq=GoogleTranslate&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.18031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
Who made the land for you a bed and heaven accordingly."
https://www.google.com/search?q=Goo....69i57j0l5.18031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But the Quran is just another man made book with errors like others. Much of it is poetic which allows people to try to excuse the errors that it contains, but when one does that one is implying that it is largely worthless as a result.

 

[dad]

However the spectral light from the universe has undoubtedly reached us.

Yes, and in reaching us, it now is in our time.

We are already looking into the past and I'm having a difficult time in discerning what's different than, to what's different now.

Science does say that the light from stars took a long time to get here, so that we are looking at light from the past.

An interesting way to think of how all the stars could go OUT one day as the bible says, is to think of them as already BEING out! One day, when the last bit of light reaches the fishbowl here,...no more...darkness...all the heavens go dark! Now I don't know how God does it, but that is one way to conceptualize it happening!

Is there any anomaly out there that you can point to specifically?

We can't see space or time. So we can't really look for differences there.

 

[dad]

Just admit that you did not understand the article. I am not doing all of your homework for you.

And "fishbowl" is a losing term for you. You put yourself in a fishbowl. Others do not. If you want to claim a fishbowl the burden of proof is upon you.

Look if you can't grasp the issues just admit it, not like you are fooling anyone anyhow.

 

[dad]

How do you know we aren't in deep space right now?

God is moving here so it is like grand central.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look if you can't grasp the issues just admit it, not like you are fooling anyone anyhow.

dad, you are breaking the Ninth Commandment again. If you can be honest enough to admit that you do not understand the article I will gladly explain it to you. If a person cannot be honest then there is no point in helping them.

 

[dad]

dad, you are breaking the Ninth Commandment again. If you can be honest enough to admit that you do not understand the article I will gladly explain it to you. If a person cannot be honest then there is no point in helping them.

Wrong. 5000 years or less, isn’t in the far past, not even for Earth.

Yes it is if we are talking real time rather than so called science belief based imaginary time.