What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

[wizanda]

Imo, what was written clearly goes against the real Jesus.

The Tanakh prophecy align with what Yeshua said in the Synoptic Gospels, are you saying the whole Bible is wrong, and you know better?

John 3:5-7

“It is finished!”

John is made up by the Sanhedrin, and can not be used as a reliable testimony.

What about plain English do people not understand?

The plain English will not survise in studying, Esword is the only way I've found, as much is mistranslated to deceive the whole world on purpose.

Jesus did not teach anyone to worship His physical body, quite the opposite, but that is what resulted from believing in the bodily resurrection.

Humans get attached to personal idols, like you worship only Baha'u'llah as an incarnation of God, and yet I sit here with the new name of Christ, and get ignored.

This same Jesus refers to the same spirit of Jesus, not the same physical body.

Yes, and how we can show Baha'u'llah was not Yehoshua/David, as he did not know about Yeshua's warnings of the false made up "I Am" statements that would come about after (Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8); Baha'i recite John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter's) doctrine with no understanding of the differences...

I knew this stuff at 4-5 years old, before I read any books... I was told to start explaining it at 25, and have now spent 15 years online explaining this.

Around what verses? There are no verses that say that Jesus is coming back to earth, not one.

I've now posted two verses that says specifically "Me" is returning in Greek multiple times to you (Matthew 23:39, Luke 13:35); why do you keep choosing to ignore this, and then posting the made up version of the Gospel of John without questioning the authenticity?

Son of man coming in the clouds verses do not refer to Jesus, they refer to Baha’u’llah.

They refer to "Me" to put it bluntly.

I have been asking Christians for years for verses where Jesus says He is coming back to earth and so far nothing, because there is nothing

Yeshua refers to himself as the Bridegroom, the Bridegroom returns to Marry the Wise (Matthew 25:1-13), he meets them in person, and selects who to keep at the Midnight Hour.

In Luke 17:20-37 the Son of Man returns before the Great Tribulation, yet is rejected, and then mankind is washed in Holy Fire (Isaiah 34).

I do not need to be a Baha’i to know that bodies do not rise from a grave after three days of decomposition and come alive.... I just need to be a rational person.

The whole promise is if the Source of reality raised Yeshua, he will raise us after mankind is soon destroyed in the Great Tribulation (Isaiah 26:19).

What good do you think that will do?

If you could show verses with understanding to their meanings, it would prove to us, you're not just arguing with no real knowledge of the Bible.

In my opinion.

 

[Trailblazer]

The Tanakh prophecy align with what Yeshua said in the Synoptic Gospels, are you saying the whole Bible is wrong, and you know better?

I am saying I do not know and I do not care because the dispensations of the past have been abrogated so I consider it an utter waste of time to even read the Tanakh or the Bible. Of course, that is because I am not waiting for Jesus to return.

Humans get attached to personal idols, like you worship only Baha'u'llah as an incarnation of God, and yet I sit here with the new name of Christ, and get ignored.

That is a joke in and of itself, because it is the Christians who worship Jesus. I do not worship Baha’u’llah, only God. Christians are so attached to Jesus they cannot even see the nose in front of their faces.

Do you think you are the return of Christ?

If you could show verses with understanding to their meanings, it would prove to us, you're not just arguing with no real knowledge of the Bible.

No, it would not make any difference because you would just disagree and tell me I am wrong. Been there, done that.

 

[wizanda]

Do you think you are the return of Christ?

God told me as a child, I've then fulfilled prophecy in my life (21), and then finally decided to start reading the books at 24, and realized I'd already fulfilled prophecies before reading it, as I was told would happen; so at 25 years old I started work explaining to people what God has shown me...

it an utter waste of time to even read the Tanakh or the Bible.

Then if you've not studied, you can't assume to be correct - do you get this?

I do not worship Baha’u’llah, only God.

Since you're stating you're not actually studying everyone's doctrines, as Baha'u'llah 'abrogated' their message, I'd call that a form of blind devotion, which is worship, as you're not honouring the rest of Oneness...

The religious messages are from Avatars of the Divine, which as a whole make up the Oneness of God; which is what Baha'u'llah taught as well.

No, it would not make any difference because you would just disagree and tell me I am wrong. Been there, done that.

The only way to study properly is to be proven wrong; I'd love someone to do that, and actually show the maths of their workings.

If we're not going to question our own equations could be flawed, it is time to seek help; as mental patients will make up all sorts of crazy ideas, a doctor will check the facts.

In my opinion.

 

[viole]

What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?

There have been signs for 2,000 years. I expect that there was not a decade without some signs of a second coming.

But all this is mythology. There is no Jesus waiting up there to fly back here.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Trailblazer]

Then if you've not studied, you can't assume to be correct - do you get this?

I never said I was correct about the Tanakh or the Bible. I said *I consider* it a waste of time to read them because *I believe* those older dispensations have been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha’u’llah.

Since you're stating you're not actually studying everyone's doctrines, as Baha'u'llah 'abrogated' their message, I'd call that a form of blind devotion, which is worship, as you're not honouring the rest of Oneness...

You can call it whatever you want to call it, but that does not make it so. You do not know more about me than I do.

I do not have to study older religions; I do not even have time to study the Baha’i Faith. I consider it a waste of my time to study religions that no longer apply to this age of history. I do not have an interest in studying religions at all, and there is no requirement on me to do so. I only need to know my own religion, not every religion that was ever revealed by God.

The religious messages are from Avatars of the Divine, which as a whole make up the Oneness of God; which is what Baha'u'llah taught as well.

Yes He did, but He did not tell Baha’is that they are required to study older religions. And regarding the older religions He told us they have been corrupted by men and that we should turn towards God’s Manifestation for this age.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination. Thou dost witness how most of the commentaries and interpretations of the words of God, now current amongst men, are devoid of truth. Their falsity hath, in some cases, been exposed when the intervening veils were rent asunder. They themselves have acknowledged their failure in apprehending the meaning of any of the words of God.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 171-172

The only way to study properly is to be proven wrong; I'd love someone to do that, and actually show the maths of their workings.

That can never be done, because it is all about interpretation. Nobody can prove they are right and someone else is wrong with maths.

If we're not going to question our own equations could be flawed, it is time to seek help; as mental patients will make up all sorts of crazy ideas, a doctor will check the facts.

That won’t work because there are no facts that surround beliefs. Just because I have absolute certitude that Baha’u’llah was who He claimed to be that does not mean I need help, it just means that I have a belief I know is true, and no doubt I am certain because I was guided by God, not because of anything I did such as studying, although I have studied a lot.

 

[The Anointed]

Continued from posts #16 and #19:

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the skies
The earth was clothed in purples, dark orange, and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks, earth's veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found
The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted, valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth--all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but many, many, years
And the women who were pregnant, Ahh, the children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more
Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night where rainbows couldn't form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were blazing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, but far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter, that heavenly light, which in time would spell man's doom...….The Anointed..


This is from a documentary on Yellowstone where scientists in the field of volcanic activity speak of that particular hot spot.

The volume of Yellowstone"s magmatic system is about twenty to twenty thousand cubic kilometres. It is about eighty kilometres long, forty kilometres wide, and eight kilometres deep. In other words, the magma chamber is over three times the size of New York City. Steve Parks believes that if a Super eruption occurred tomorrow, the consequences would be catastrophic. An area the size of a continent would be utterly devastated and the planet would suffer server effects for years after.

Looking at the recent eruptive history of Yellowstone said Bill Mcguire, there’s been minor eruptions every twenty to thirty thousand years, but nothing’s been seen for some seventy thousand years, which suggests that something might be overdue. He reckons that another Super eruption somewhere on the earth is an absolute certainty, whether it will be at Yellowstone is still questionable, but there is a reasonable chance there will be.

Super eruptions have occurred throughout earth’s history and they aint going to stop now.

A new cycle of Super eruptions began over two million years ago when the hot spot arrived under Yellowstone. Since then there have been two more Super eruptions at Yellowstone. One point 3 million years ago and the other six hundred and forty thousand years ago. Disturbingly, these eruptions appear to be in a cycle of between six to seven hundred thousand years and the last one was six hundred and forty thousand years ago.

[Quote Bill Mcguire]: We could have an eruption next year, or we may have to wait many thousands of years to come. Now I would not be surprised if there were another eruption in my life time, but I would also not be surprised if there were not.

Professor Bill Mcguire was born in 1954 and is Professor of Geohazards at University College London and is Britain’s leading volcanologists. He has a PhD in Geology from Liton College of Higher Education, now the University of Bedfordshire in the 1980s, former home of well known TV geologist Iain Stewart. He was then appointed Reader at Cheltham & Gloucester College of Higher Education, which is now the University of Gloucester, and made it into the university sector in the 1990s when he was appointed Professor of Geohazards and Director of the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London.

The two-episode documentary that I referred to, reveals the cutting-edge research that informed the drama. Where the experts who monitor the behaviour of the Yellowstone supervolcano, and who face the awesome responsibility of predicting when the next super-eruption might next take place - and advising on what will happen when it does. The programme goes behind the scenes to reveal the work being done to try to understand the sequence of events that could one day culminate in this apocalypse, and to calculate the global fallout that would follow it.

The commentators and those who worked behind the scenes of this documentary, were Allisdair, the voice of the narrator, Bill Mcguire whose qualification have been given, Jake Lowenstern from the Yellowstone Observatory, Steve Sparks of the university of Bristol, Hank Heasler who was/is the Co-ordinator scientist, Yellowstone National Park, Bob Smith a professor from the University of Utah, plus others

 

[Deeje]

Yes I note that Christianity does not speak with one voice. Will the real Christianity please stand up!

And therein lies the problem.....how do you find a diamond in a pile of broken glass?

Christ definitely speaks with one voice.....its just that his enemy is a ventriloquist making him say things he never did.

Have you heard the story about how you hide a 40ft tree out in the middle of a cleared field?

The answer is....you can't.....unless you have lots of time up your sleeve. You see, if you plant a whole forest of similar looking trees all around the original, the longer time goes on, the more difficult it will be to find the original tree. Christianity has been around for almost 2,000 years...plenty of time to plant several forests.

If you want to pick a counterfeit, you don't have to check out all the fakes....you just have to know what the original looks like and compare.

 

[wizanda]

I consider it a waste of my time to study religions that no longer apply to this age of history.

Guess we should remind everyone not to talk to you as if you're actually engaging in a religious discussion on their texts...

That can never be done, because it is all about interpretation. Nobody can prove they are right and someone else is wrong with maths.

Maths often has static results, that are determined by the sum 2+2=4, 12/3= 4 have one answer.

Yet even on sums that have multiple results, we can show all the results, you're not even dealing with the questions, and simply making it up, plus telling other people to follow a made up answer that doesn't fit the text.

In my opinion.

 

[Trailblazer]

Guess we should remind everyone not to talk to you as if you're actually engaging in a religious discussion on their texts...

Do you see me talking to religious people? No, I talk mostly to atheists. There is no point talking to religious people because they all believe only they are right.... It gets really old after a while.

Maths often has static results, that are determined by the sum 2+2=4, 12/3= 4 have one answer.

Maths often do have one answer but religion is not math...

There might be one answer, but nobody is going to find it by studying 31,000 Bible verses... That would be like having a puzzle with 31,000 pieces thrown on a table and trying to fit them all back together.

Yet even on sums that have multiple results, we can show all the results, you're not even dealing with the questions, and simply making it up, plus telling other people to follow a made up answer that doesn't fit the text.

The Tanakh and the Bible are not the only religious texts that ever existed. There are other true religions besides Judaism and Christianity. The arrogance is appalling and I do not blame the non-Abrahamic faiths for thinking that.

I am not looking at the Bible for the answer because I found the answer long before I read even one page of the Bible. Moreover, I am not telling other people to follow my answer. I always tell people they have to find their own answers as that is a Baha'i teaching.

My belief in Baha'u'llah is not based upon the Bible. He fulfilled the prophecies but He does not need to fit into the old texts since the Revelation of Baha'u'llah is completely new and part of an entirely new religious cycle, the likes of which humanity has never seen before.

New wine does not fit into old wine sacs.

Luke 5:37-38 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.”

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

 

[wizanda]

There is no point talking to religious people because they all believe only they are right.... It gets really old after a while.

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The Tanakh and the Bible are not the only religious texts that ever existed. There are other true religions besides Judaism and Christianity. The arrogance is appalling and I do not blame the non-Abrahamic faiths for thinking that.

Having read many of the worlds religions, and as an observe of their doctrines, not sure who that is aimed at; especially when you've not actually read anyone's texts, and are merely assuming there is no maths that adds up between them.
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He fulfilled the prophecies but He does not need to fit into the old texts since the Revelation of Baha'u'llah is completely new

Baha'u'llah according to the Bible is the Anti-Christ, as he claims himself to be God incarnate.

There might be one answer, but nobody is going to find it by studying 31,000 Bible verses

Actually each definition defines it self by scrutinization, it is foolish to assume that something doesn't make sense automatically; that is like saying lets not study, as it might get complex to see the right answer.

There are methods to ascertain most prophecies clearly with exegesis; the problem is people are too quick to make up the right answer with no real study (eisegesis), as it makes them feel good feeling right.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Baha'u'llah according to the Bible is the Anti-Christ, as he claims himself to be God incarnate.

That is new from you wizanda, but also very wrong.

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

That is new from you wizanda, but also very wrong.

I've got a whole argument against Baha'i fallacies, yet I'm being kind as don't want to upset you all in one go.

As for being wrong, the evidence is clear, Yeshua being a Divine Being is not claiming himself to be God incarnate; much of that ideology comes from the made up Pharisaic ideas after by John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter).

We can show Baha'u'llah means the 'Glory of God', as he literally thought he was jesus's father.

Yeshua's father is the God Most High (Source of reality - Luke 1:32); thus Baha'u'llah is creating idolatry to claim such a thing.

In my opinion.

 

[Crosstian]

What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?

It will be like this:

Armageddon & The 7 Last Plagues

Powerpoint of this presentation here

Hope For The Millennium & Revelation's Grand Finale

Powerpoint of this presentation here

 

[Crosstian]

We know it will not be the same man Jesus who returns because Jesus said:

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

The passages you cited only refer to Jesus ascending. None of those texts state Jesus wasn't coming back. John 17:11a, is not dealing with physicality, but his heart in prayer as he was speaking to His Father in Heaven. Jesus did finish the courtyard work and ascended to complete the holy and later most holy place work. He laid the foundation stone, Himself, the rock of the final temple, the perfect character. All of scripture speaks of Jesus 2nd advent and even of the 3rd. As for the second Advent:

Act_1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Joh_5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Mat_26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar_14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1Co_1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Th_2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1Th_3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th_2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[wizanda]

Christians, Rabbinic Jews, Muhammadans, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, Hindu, etc sit waiting for the Messiah/final Avatar prophesied; yet none already acknowledge what is already before them in clear details.

There are far too many advanced errors that blind many to understanding what is going on properly, such as:

The word 'jesus' isn't Yeshua/Yehoshua in Hebrew, so tons of contexts is being missed in exegesis.

El and Elohim are not the same thing (Isaiah 46:9); if we carefully study the contextual differences the Rabbinic Jews have rejected God (El - Deuteronomy 32:18), thinking a Eloh is the same as the Source (El).

The Divine Council though referenced in both the Bible Psalms 82:1, and Quran 38:69, 37:8, became confused into polytheism; yet then because of rejecting part of the theological hierarchy that exists, that it is the Archangels (Elohim) who have interacted with mankind, this is why Yeshua Elohim was misunderstood.

On understanding the correct context of Yeshua Elohim (Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10) without making idolatry leads to salvation.

The Second Coming could literally look like that explanation, and if people were more serious about God, they'd study if it made sense, and the Word of God in religious texts globally would become a Fire sweeping the web...

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Christians, Rabbinic Jews, Muhammadans, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, Hindu, etc sit waiting for the Messiah/final Avatar prophesied; yet none already acknowledge what is already before them in clear details.

There are far too many advanced errors that blind many to understanding what is going on properly, such as:

The word 'jesus' isn't Yeshua/Yehoshua in Hebrew, so tons of contexts is being missed in exegesis.

El and Elohim are not the same thing (Isaiah 46:9); if we carefully study the contextual differences the Rabbinic Jews have rejected God (El - Deuteronomy 32:18), thinking a Eloh is the same as the Source (El).

The Divine Council though referenced in both the Bible Psalms 82:1, and Quran 38:69, 37:8, became confused into polytheism; yet then because of rejecting part of the theological hierarchy that exists, that it is the Archangels (Elohim) who have interacted with mankind, this is why Yeshua Elohim was misunderstood.

On understanding the correct context of Yeshua Elohim (Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10) without making idolatry leads to salvation.

The Second Coming could literally look like that explanation, and if people were more serious about God, they'd study if it made sense, and the Word of God in religious texts globally would become a Fire sweeping the web...

In my opinion.

If what you say is true, how do you explain this " Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus. It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation." The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.” However, when translated from Hebrew into Greek, in which the New Testament was written, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous. The English spelling for Iēsous is “Jesus.”
Should You Really Be Calling Jesus by the Name Yeshua?

 

[wizanda]

how do you explain this " Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus.

Joshua is the Hebrew for Yehoshua (H3091); and yeshua (H3444) in Hebrew means salvation - It is because of Aramaic we shorten Yehoshua into Yeshua.

It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation.

Yehoshua means the Lord Saves or Shall Deliver/Saviour.

Yah is its own word (H3050), that is used independently of Yahavah.

Psalms 89:8 ask what Lord (Yah) is as strong as Yahavah Elohim; thus Yah does not mean a shortened name, it means Lord, and Yahavah is 'Lord of Creation' or 'Lord to Be'.

The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.”

Yeshua is a word meaning Salvation (H3444); contextually the Spirit of Salvation is put into the flesh of David (Isaiah 52:10-14)....

The name is Yehoshua, the concept is yeshua (salvation)... sort of like how Buddha encompassed buddhi.

Hebrew into Greek, in which the New Testament was written, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous. The English spelling for Iēsous is “Jesus.”

Yeshua said be aware of false Christs which is the word PseudoChristos (G5580), the reference number H5580 is S-S add a Yod to it, becomes 'shall be a beast' (J-s-s)...

So when Revelation says the world is mislead by the beast, that is the false Christ jesus, with the true one Yehoshua prophetically explained in the Tanakh.

The Roman Catholic Church needed a way to induce Druidism into accepting the tenants, as it spread across most of Europe, and Rome couldn't defeat the Celts...

One of the Druid Trinity was called Esus, who had sacrifices hung on a tree; this is far more likely where the name Iesus came from, rather than ancient translators decided to pass a word through 4 different languages.

Should You Really Be Calling Jesus by the Name Yeshua?

Using Zeus is fine, as my name Zan also was Zeus plural.

Using S-S tho isn't, as it means a Horse (H5483) or a Grub (H5580), a being that tramples down in some way.

So when Yehoshua prophesied the Gentiles shall trample down (Luke 21:24), that is metaphorically J-S-S they follow.

The article says it doesn't matter using words which create magic as having any importance; Yeshua said the exact opposite that every idle word will be held as testimony (Matthew 12:36-37).

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I've got a whole argument against Baha'i fallacies, yet I'm being kind as don't want to upset you all in one go.

As for being wrong, the evidence is clear, Yeshua being a Divine Being is not claiming himself to be God incarnate; much of that ideology comes from the made up Pharisaic ideas after by John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter).

We can show Baha'u'llah means the 'Glory of God', as he literally thought he was jesus's father.

Yeshua's father is the God Most High (Source of reality - Luke 1:32); thus Baha'u'llah is creating idolatry to claim such a thing.

In my opinion.

The Bible is clear, it says by the Fruits you will know them, it does not say by wizanda far out ideas, that one shall know the Prophet. So give it your best shot widanda, but consider they are not fruitful and worthwhile discussions to be had.

RF has taught me many things, but the best lessonis that words belong to everyone, but mean little without the fruit of action. It it the word in action that proves the Messenger. So you may have to consider how the Word spoken by Baha'u'llah is right now around the world, bring love and peace to people of all nations, religions, races and classes, eleminating predudices and superstitions and building strong loving communities who's aim is to serve each other.

All the best in life wizanda. Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

The Bible is clear, it says by the Fruits you will know them, it does not say by wizanda far out ideas, that one shall know the Prophet.

Who is claiming to be a prophet? I've got the new name of Christ before the Great Tribulation; where regardless if you believe it, it will still take place, and after God keeps the Enlightened Saints...

Now an alternative possibility is mankind realizes their far out ideas don't add up, and we come to resolutions globally between us on this forum, like we could have the Final Battle here.

In my opinion.

 

[Trailblazer]

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That is a straw man. I never said that only my religion is right. I said that most religious people believe that only they are right so there is no point talking to them because it just turns into an argument.

“I believe” that the dispensations of the older religions have been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha’u’llah, because Baha’u’llah, who was in a position of Authority vouchsafed onto Him by God, abrogated all the previous religious Dispensations.

“In conclusion of this theme, I feel, it should be stated that the Revelation identified with Bahá’u’lláh abrogates unconditionally all the Dispensations gone before it, upholds uncompromisingly the eternal verities they enshrine, recognizes firmly and absolutely the Divine origin of their Authors, preserves inviolate the sanctity of their authentic Scriptures, disclaims any intention of lowering the status of their Founders or of abating the spiritual ideals they inculcate, clarifies and correlates their functions, reaffirms their common, their unchangeable and fundamental purpose, reconciles their seemingly divergent claims and doctrines, readily and gratefully recognizes their respective contributions to the gradual unfoldment of one Divine Revelation, unhesitatingly acknowledges itself to be but one link in the chain of continually progressive Revelations, supplements their teachings with such laws and ordinances as conform to the imperative needs, and are dictated by the growing receptivity, of a fast evolving and constantly changing society, and proclaims its readiness and ability to fuse and incorporate the contending sects and factions into which they have fallen into a universal Fellowship, functioning within the framework, and in accordance with the precepts, of a divinely conceived, a world-unifying, a world-redeeming Order.” God Passes By, p. 100

However, it was only the former Dispensations that have been abrogated. The religions themselves have not been abrogated. No religion can ever be abrogated because it was revealed by God.

“Let no one, however, mistake my purpose. The Revelation, of which Bahá’u’lláh is the source and center, abrogates none of the religions that have preceded it, nor does it attempt, in the slightest degree, to distort their features or to belittle their value. It disclaims any intention of dwarfing any of the Prophets of the past, or of whittling down the eternal verity of their teachings. It can, in no wise, conflict with the spirit that animates their claims, nor does it seek to undermine the basis of any man’s allegiance to their cause. Its declared, its primary purpose is to enable every adherent of these Faiths to obtain a fuller understanding of the religion with which he stands identified, and to acquire a clearer apprehension of its purpose. It is neither eclectic in the presentation of its truths, nor arrogant in the affirmation of its claims. Its teachings revolve around the fundamental principle that religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is progressive, not final. Unequivocally and without the least reservation it proclaims all established religions to be divine in origin, identical in their aims, complementary in their functions, continuous in their purpose, indispensable in their value to mankind.” The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, pp, 57-58

Fundamental Principle of Religious Truth

Having read many of the worlds religions, and as an observe of their doctrines, not sure who that is aimed at; especially when you've not actually read anyone's texts, and are merely assuming there is no maths that adds up between them.

How do you know what I have read? Are you in my living room? I have read enough to know what the other world religions teach and I have spent all my free time for the last seven years conversing with people on forums who belong to those religions. I listen to what they tell me they believe and sometimes I read the scriptures of their religions.

I never said that the maths do not add up between religions, I think they do add up because I believe that the spiritual teachings of all the world religions are essentially the same. Moreover, I believe that all of the great world religions prophesied the coming of a Messiah, a Promised One who would fulfill the prophecies in their scriptures.

Baha'u'llah according to the Bible is the Anti-Christ, as he claims himself to be God incarnate.

Baha’u’llah never claimed to be God incarnate, He adamantly denied that.

“Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces. This, indeed, is My dearest wish, My most ardent desire. Of My state God is, verily, sufficiently informed, observant.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 228

Actually each definition defines it self by scrutinization, it is foolish to assume that something doesn't make sense automatically; that is like saying lets not study, as it might get complex to see the right answer.

You assert that in studying alone people will find the “right answer.” Yet people have studied the scriptures for over 2000 years and everyone has a different answer. What does that tell you, logically speaking?

Just because something makes sense to you, that does not mean it will make sense to other people, or that there is a “right answer” that you have found. You have certain interpretations of scriptures and that is all. You cannot prove that your interpretation is right.

There are methods to ascertain most prophecies clearly with exegesis; the problem is people are too quick to make up the right answer with no real study (eisegesis), as it makes them feel good feeling right.

You believe there is a right answer that can be found and you have found it, but many Jews and Christians also think they have found that “right answer” and they have studied the same scriptures. So who is right and why are they right?