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What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I foresee tons of Christians running around in mass hysteria and total fear as they realize Christ has it out for them the most.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?
If Jesus (the first coming) fulfilled the prophecies of the Hebrew Bible then we simply analyse the manner in which prophecy was fulfilled and the reasons His own peoples rejected Him. For one it was expected the Christ would rule as King David and conquer the Romans. In truth Jesus was a spiritual, not worldly King. We need to consider the deeper spiritual meanings of scriptures, not just the literal ones. So phrases such as Christ appearing on clouds and signs accompanying His Advent such as the stars falling from heaven (Matthew 24:29-30) are metaphor not literal. We need to consider the deeper spiritual meanings.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?

Literal translations were not always the tradition. That has only gained momentum since the late 1800s.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
90% of Christians will deny that it is "The Second Coming" and carry on waiting.
Non-believers will shrug their shoulders and wonder what the fuss is about.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?
It isn't to steal, it is to break in, the Vatican, Jesuit, Zionist order owns this world, they think they're in some game beating the odds, and in the process murdering angels, and prophets to get ahead.

Because the world has already been convinced of a lie, Christ returns as a thief before the Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:15-16), and to discuss with the Churches/Religions where they're corrupt (Revelation 3:3).
And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not?
By exegesis.
Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?
It could be both, we're in the sky on the internet somewhere, if people accepted the texts, we can have a Battle of Armageddon scripturally here, and the Word becomes the Fire.

Armageddon can imply where 'many people are gathered together'.

Alternatively Armageddon will be fought in the Middle East between Israel and Iran, and after their destruction this will be a testimony of we could have prevented it.

After the Great Tribulation the Source of reality steps in resetting everything, removing most, and leaving the saints.

Christ coming on lightening from east to west (Matthew 24:27) makes sense as the internet.
Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?
I can systematically dissect, and give advanced details on where each is faulty in some way; ask specific questions, and will always list the details.
Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?
They're interpretative, in other words we have to test the methods used by authors styles and poses, then assess meaning from all aspects....

There are many layers to each, everything can happen both historically, metaphorically, repeatedly, so it is about careful exegesis on each, to truly understand what is going on.

In my opinion. innocent:
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
My guess is that it will be the same as the History of Faith has always shown it to be.

There will be a lot of people waiting around for a miracle show that will vindicate all the century hold built up predudices about over Faiths.

In the end God has shown a Messenger is sent and we just face our own self and our own failed understandings.

Regards Tony
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
There doesn’t seem to be any clear consensus amongst Christians as to how He will come.

What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?

When you talk about the Second Coming many other subjects are involved. There are different camps of Christians concerning the Second Coming of Christ. It usually revolves around the time of His coming and if there is to be a literal Tribulation, or Millennium, or if there is a Rapture.

I hold to the literal interpretation so hold to the Tribulation, Millennium and Rapture. Why? Because I believe it (literal interpretation) is faithful to and best explains the Scripture. Once one leaves the 'literal interpretation' then the Bible just means what anyone wants it to mean.

So, yes the Second Coming will be a supernatural event with Christ coming in the air.

As the Second Coming is literal so also would be any signs concerning it. However, that day is hidden to us. (Matt. 24:36)

When that day comes there will be no doubt as to what it is and Who He is. Not only those that are saved will know Who he is, but so will those that are not saved.

Also, Christ coming as a thief in the night speaks to the manner of His coming. Not that He is going to steal. However, many will be taken in judgement. (Matt. 24:37-43)

These are just the basic statements I know. But so much involves the Second Coming you can't put it one post.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
When you talk about the Second Coming many other subjects are involved. There are different camps of Christians concerning the Second Coming of Christ. It usually revolves around the time of His coming and if there is to be a literal Tribulation, or Millennium, or if there is a Rapture.

I hold to the literal interpretation so hold to the Tribulation, Millennium and Rapture. Why? Because I believe it (literal interpretation) is faithful to and best explains the Scripture. Once one leaves the 'literal interpretation' then the Bible just means what anyone wants it to mean.

So, yes the Second Coming will be a supernatural event with Christ coming in the air.

As the Second Coming is literal so also would be any signs concerning it. However, that day is hidden to us. (Matt. 24:36)

When that day comes there will be no doubt as to what it is and Who He is. Not only those that are saved will know Who he is, but so will those that are not saved.

Also, Christ coming as a thief in the night speaks to the manner of His coming. Not that He is going to steal. However, many will be taken in judgement. (Matt. 24:37-43)

These are just the basic statements I know. But so much involves the Second Coming you can't put it one post.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Yes it’s a huge topic. But if we take the Bible literally then Chrust saying things like ‘let the dead bury the dead’ must also be literal. In newer translations it reads ‘let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead’ which infers some passages are not meant to be understood at face value.

Then there is Rev 5:5 I think it is which says no man in earth or heaven can unseal the meanings of the Books except the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Messiah so one of the signs accompanying His coming is that He will unseal the meanings.

If the meanings of the Books are just all literal then there would be no need to unseal the meanings.
 

susanblange

Active Member
What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?
Which "second coming" are you referring to? Christians believe in three or four. Jesus was not the Messiah, but he has been reincarnated and is alive on earth today. Upon his execution, the true Messiah will return from Heaven upon the mount of Olives with all the angels in spirit form. Zechariah 14.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Which "second coming" are you referring to? Christians believe in three or four. Jesus was not the Messiah, but he has been reincarnated and is alive on earth today. Upon his execution, the true Messiah will return from Heaven upon the mount of Olives with all the angels in spirit form. Zechariah 14.

Yes I note that Christianity does not speak with one voice. Will the real Christianity please stand up!
 

susanblange

Active Member
Yes I note that Christianity does not speak with one voice. Will the real Christianity please stand up!
There are tens of thousands of different Christian denominations and they all believe something different. They cannot agree. Jesus said that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Christianity is modern day Babylon and it is "wind and confusion". Isaiah 41:29. God utterly rejects all of Christian theology. Jeremiah 51:26.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?

I think there is no need to make on interpretations. It will happen like this:

For as the lightning comes forth from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matt. 24:27

So, don’t be deceived by those who pretend to be Christ, but are nothing like him.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Yes it’s a huge topic. But if we take the Bible literally then Chrust saying things like ‘let the dead bury the dead’ must also be literal. In newer translations it reads ‘let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead’ which infers some passages are not meant to be understood at face value.

Then there is Rev 5:5 I think it is which says no man in earth or heaven can unseal the meanings of the Books except the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Messiah so one of the signs accompanying His coming is that He will unseal the meanings.

If the meanings of the Books are just all literal then there would be no need to unseal the meanings.

I see no problem with Christ's statement, 'let the dead bury the dead' being taken literally. Christ was addressing a man that wanted to follow Him. The man hesitated. Something stood between the man and Christ. Christ addressed it.

I don't know what you mean by saying the 'meanings of the Books' concerning (Rev. 5). There was but one book or scroll. What exactly was written in that book, is not said. That only One was worthy to open the book is Jesus Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
I hold to the literal interpretation so hold to the Tribulation, Millennium and Rapture. Why? Because I believe it (literal interpretation) is faithful to and best explains the Scripture. Once one leaves the 'literal interpretation' then the Bible just means what anyone wants it to mean.

Good-Ole-Rebel

As do I. The great Tribulation which occurs at the close of the sixth day, and ushers in the Great seventh day Sabbath, of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow, then after the thousand year rule of Christ, the rapture, when the last trumpet sounds and heavenly fire incinerates all physical life forms on this planet.

I posted the following in another thread on this forum, but it is more applicable to this thread.

It was the prophet Zephaniah through whom the Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything 'ON EARTH', All human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken. . . . . . . . . "On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold and silver will save them. The whole 'EARTH' will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end----a sudden end----to everyone who lives 'ON EARTH.' " GNB.

The weekly Sabbath, said Paul, in Colossians 2: 17; was but a shadow of the reality in the future, which is the Great Sabbath, the Lords day of one thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

We are now approaching the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

Acts 17: 31; For the Lord has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Could an eruption such as this, be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

The huge column of molten rock that feeds Yellowstone's "super volcano" dives deeper and fills a magma chamber 20 percent bigger than previous estimates, scientists say. The finding, based on the most detailed model yet of the region's geologic plumbing, suggests that Yellowstone's magma chamber contains even more fuel for a future "super eruption" than anyone had suspected.

The model shows that a 45-mile-wide (72-kilometer-wide) plume of hot, molten rock rises to feed the super volcano from at least 410 miles (660 kilometers) beneath Earth's surface. The deepest part of the plume actually sits beneath the town of Wisdom, Montana, about 150 miles (241 kilometers) from Yellowstone National Park, a steady flow of hot rock in Earth's upper mantle causes the plume to drift to the southeast, where it fills a magma chamber that sits just 3.7 to 10 miles (5.9 to 16 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone.

Other new data show that Yellowstone's magma chamber extends 13 miles (21 kilometers) farther to the northeast than previously thought. Scientists had already known that Yellowstone is a volcanic hot spot, and that within the past two million years, the region has seen three mammoth eruptions at intervals of about 600,000 years, and it is 640,000 years since it’s last eruption. Such events it is said, can produce at least 77 cubic miles (360 cubic kilometers) of basalt: enough to bury Washington, D.C., under nearly 7,200 feet (2,200 meters) of solidified lava.

The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the Park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with an average cycle of 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago we are overdue for annihilation.

Forget about the death total within the immediate period of the explosive eruption, but just imagine what happens to our communication and ground and air transport systems, fuel supplies, power grids, atomic power stations spewing out radiation into the atmosphere, etc, etc.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days, perhaps the evolutionary son of man, came from mutants that are to be born in those days.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

Could the Great prophesied war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand- year period of twilight in which rainbows can't form in our atmosphere? And when, according to Isaiah 65: 20, "If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.

In that day says Isaiah, the lion will lay down with the sheep and all people will live out their full life span. A hundred-year old person will be considered to be but a child etc.

Revelation 20: 7-9: It is after the thousand year rule of Christ has ended (How long after? Nobody knows.) that the last trumpet will sound and the fire from heaven descends and incinerates the surface of this planet as prophesied by Zephaniah.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?
We know it will not be the same man Jesus who returns because Jesus said:

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Which "second coming" are you referring to? Christians believe in three or four. Jesus was not the Messiah, but he has been reincarnated and is alive on earth today. Upon his execution, the true Messiah will return from Heaven upon the mount of Olives with all the angels in spirit form. Zechariah 14.
Somewhere hidden in all this is that the Baha'is believe the second coming has happened. But, if the true Messiah is to return to the Mt. of Olives, then what do you think of a person of Shia Islamic descent, that is born in Persia, that claims to be the return? He is taken as a prisoner to Akka, Israel. And later, the Baha'i set up their world headquarters on Mt. Carmel in Haifa.

But, I don't think it is correct to call him the "second coming" of Christ, because the Baha'is believe Muhammad was a "Christ" and just before Baha'u'llah, the Baha'is had a person called The Bab, that along with Baha'u'llah, was a "Christ". So there was three people that came after Jesus. But I don't think any of these "second coming" people had anything to do with the Mt. of Olives. So forget about what the second coming should look like. What should the first coming look like? And is there anyway that the Jews can fit in four people that the Baha'is say were "Messiahs"?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Continued from post #16.

Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors."

Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies.

I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."

See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle, behind the veil of the flesh (The kingdom of God is within you) which temporary tabernacle is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

The African tectonic plate in its northern migration, grinds against the Arabian plate in a line that runs up through the Red Sea and along the Jordon valley beneath the Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14: 3-4; Then the Lord will go out and fight for his people as he has fought in times past. At that time, he will stand on the Mount of Olives, to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

Could the violent activity around the earth at this time, be the trigger that will cause the super volcano beneath Yellow stone to erupt, enveloping the planet in a cloud of debris? And that day shall be neither day nor night, but a perpetual twilight.

Zechariah 14: 13; Then the Lord will throw those nations that surround Jerusalem, into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing.

Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice for a thousand years, and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their Synagogues, Mosques, and Cathedrals of stone, marble, or crystal, who prostate themselves on the floors or who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship THE God of the Bible, the Most High in the creation, ‘The Son of Man’ who evolves from the body of mankind.

It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more, humble Race of men will people this earth.

"Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

"The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c,
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What are your thoughts? Will it be a magical event with angels in the sky with Christ riding on the clouds with all true believers being taken up to heaven and people rising from their graves?

Are the signs of the Second Coming literal or figurative?

And as no one has ever seen Jesus how will anyone know it is Him or not? Is it at all possible that His Coming could have be missed as Christ said to watch and pray and that He would come like a thief in the night. What would He steal?

Do you think the traditional literal interpretations are correct and why or why not?
There already was a second coming when Jesus met Paul. At least for Pauline Christians. But that's just a story.

In reality Jesus is not coming because it's a fable. Ancient mythology.
 
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