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Hormone and laws are arabic words On religious occasions

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
The word laws is an arabic word that originally means almond and is an Arabic word
mountain of almonds
This mountain is characterized by the presence of almond trees
Jabal al-Lawz - Wikipedia
The mountain where Moses received divine laws


Hormone mountain means Sacred mountain
حرم
haram

Hormone is a word attributed to the prohibition (ie, there are things that may not be done in this place) because of its specificity
Hermon any haram thing
Mount Hermon - Wikipedia

I want to know similar phrases between Arabic, English and Hebrew in religious semantics
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
The word laws is an arabic word that originally means almond and is an Arabic word
mountain of almonds
This mountain is characterized by the presence of almond trees
Jabal al-Lawz - Wikipedia
The mountain where Moses received divine laws


Hormone mountain means Sacred mountain
حرم
haram

Hormone is a word attributed to the prohibition (ie, there are things that may not be done in this place) because of its specificity
Hermon any haram thing
Mount Hermon - Wikipedia

I want to know similar phrases between Arabic, English and Hebrew in religious semantics


In English the word 'law' is of old Germanic origin, through Old english. If it is similar to Arabic, that is only by coincidence. English and Arabic don't even have the same language tree, English being an Indo-European language, and Arabic being Afro-Asiatic. Arabic and Hebrew can and do have cognates; they are in the same language family.

English and Arabic don't share a language 'tree' until all the way back to 'Nostratic.." one of three VERY early human languages.

So....don't attempt to trace English words like "law," which originates in Old English and Old German, or 'hormone," which is from the Greek 'hormon,' meaning 'set in action.'

If you have found cognates, wonderful....but that doesn't mean that the words are connected. They aren't. Why you would want to relate any Arabic word to English is beyond me. ;) Mind you, English has no problem robbing words from other languages; English is very much a 'bastardized tongue.' We'll steal from anybody.

But we didn't steal those words from Arabic. I promise.

(edited to put the emphasis on the proper word....I think there may have been some confusion about it. We've stolen a lot of words from every language we know about, including Arabic--but not those. ;) ).
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
for the unaware out there, our numbers come directly from Arabic
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
The word laws is an arabic word that originally means almond and is an Arabic word
mountain of almonds
This mountain is characterized by the presence of almond trees
Jabal al-Lawz - Wikipedia
The mountain where Moses received divine laws


Hormone mountain means Sacred mountain
حرم
haram

Hormone is a word attributed to the prohibition (ie, there are things that may not be done in this place) because of its specificity
Hermon any haram thing
Mount Hermon - Wikipedia

I want to know similar phrases between Arabic, English and Hebrew in religious semantics
I agree with @dianaiad that neither hormone nor law is of Arabic origin. But we do have quite a number of words from Arabic There is a list of them here: List of English words of Arabic origin (A-B) - Wikipedia
 
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dianaiad

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for the unaware out there, our numbers come directly from Arabic

Yes they do. and thank the Arabs very much.....but they come from Arabic, not because the words/descriptions came from the Arabic family tree, but because the CONCEPT did. The numbers, and "0" for that matter. WE were stuck with 'roman numerals' up to that point. And no place holder zero, either.

Without them we would be toast, as any sort of modern civilization. However, that's not 'language,' that's math. They had to teach us the entire concept so that we, as a global civilization, could plug it in.

But Arabic numerals don't have anything to do with language trees, Lyndon. Indo-European is one tree...and you will find neither Arabic nor Hebrew in it. Afro-Asiatic is the one where you find Arabic and other semitic languages. (shrug) Indo-European branches out itself...West Germanic (that's us...) the "Romance" languages that came from Latin and include Spanish, Portuguese, French, etc, . Baltic-Slavic, which gave birthto Russian, Croatian, Ukrainian and the languages related to them, and "indo-Iranian" (which is actually just Indo European without the fancy branching) which ended up as Hindi, Bengali, etc.

Of all the languages from all the 'trees,' English is the most opportunistic. Unlike many, if not most, other languages, there is no council that attempts to keep the 'purity' of the language. The French have one, and so do the Spanish. Germans do, too....I THINK. I could be wrong about that.

But the English don't.

English grabs vocabulary whenever it can find it, to use for whatever is needed. If there is a concept we need to find a word for, and we don't have it but someone else does, we'll grab it. We've been doing that since the Normans invaded the British Isles. And English speakers have been trying to pretend that English is something it's not for centuries. Shoot, it's only been within the last fifty or sixty years that the academics have admitted that we have a Germanic grammar, not a Latin one. think about it, for those of you who are old enough...HOW many times were you told as a kid that you couldn't split an infinitive?

That's because languages with Latin roots CAN'T. the French can't. The Spanish can't...but we do it all the time. You know, "to boldly go' where no-one has gone before?
But our VOCABULARY is huge...because we steal it from everybody. So yeah, we have Arabic words....NOW. WE have Spanish ones and French ones (a LOT of French ones, actually) and Mandarin ones and Tagalog ones--but they are all 'modern.' That is, our 'corral' is just like the current Spanish corral. We don't have a different word that can be traced back to "corral.'

This isn't about which language is 'better.' It's just....the way it is. There are many languages that have 'better' or more accurate terms for something than English does. When we see one of those, we'll swipe it and adopt it as our own.

And this is, I think, one of the reasons that English is the most often spoken and taught 'second language' in the world. It steals, unabashedly and gleefully, all the best stuff from everybody else.
 
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j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
HA! Good one.

Achi = brother... both in Hebrew and Arabic.

thanks dude for this comment
One word has been preserved throughout history to confirm divinely that Jews and Arabs must be his brother

and really you my achi
GOD bless you ;)
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
I agree with @dianaiad that neither hormone nor law is of Arabic origin. But we do have quite a number of words from Arabic There is a list of them here: List of English words of Arabic origin (A-B) - Wikipedia

HA! Good one.

Achi = brother... both in Hebrew and Arabic.


Yes they do. and thank the Arabs very much.....but they come from Arabic, not because the words/descriptions came from the Arabic family tree, but because the CONCEPT did. The numbers, and "0" for that matter. WE were stuck with 'roman numerals' up to that point. And no place holder zero, either.

Without them we would be toast, as any sort of modern civilization. However, that's not 'language,' that's math. They had to teach us the entire concept so that we, as a global civilization, could plug it in.

But Arabic numerals don't have anything to do with language trees, Lyndon. Indo-European is one tree...and you will find neither Arabic nor Hebrew in it. Afro-Asiatic is the one where you find Arabic and other semitic languages. (shrug) Indo-European branches out itself...West Germanic (that's us...) the "Romance" languages that came from Latin and include Spanish, Portuguese, French, etc, . Baltic-Slavic, which gave birthto Russian, Croatian, Ukrainian and the languages related to them, and "indo-Iranian" (which is actually just Indo European without the fancy branching) which ended up as Hindi, Bengali, etc.

Of all the languages from all the 'trees,' English is the most opportunistic. Unlike many, if not most, other languages, there is no council that attempts to keep the 'purity' of the language. The French have one, and so do the Spanish. Germans do, too....I THINK. I could be wrong about that.

But the English don't.

English grabs vocabulary whenever it can find it, to use for whatever is needed. If there is a concept we need to find a word for, and we don't have it but someone else does, we'll grab it. We've been doing that since the Normans invaded the British Isles. And English speakers have been trying to pretend that English is something it's not for centuries. Shoot, it's only been within the last fifty or sixty years that the academics have admitted that we have a Germanic grammar, not a Latin one. think about it, for those of you who are old enough...HOW many times were you told as a kid that you couldn't split an infinitive?

That's because languages with Latin roots CAN'T. the French can't. The Spanish can't...but we do it all the time. You know, "to boldly go' where no-one has gone before?
But our VOCABULARY is huge...because we steal it from everybody. So yeah, we have Arabic words....NOW. WE have Spanish ones and French ones (a LOT of French ones, actually) and Mandarin ones and Tagalog ones--but they are all 'modern.' That is, our 'corral' is just like the current Spanish corral. We don't have a different word that can be traced back to "corral.'

This isn't about which language is 'better.' It's just....the way it is. There are many languages that have 'better' or more accurate terms for something than English does. When we see one of those, we'll swipe it and adopt it as our own.

And this is, I think, one of the reasons that English is the most often spoken and taught 'second language' in the world. It steals, unabashedly and gleefully, all the best stuff from everybody else.


thanks for all to replay
German language returned to Turkish language
The Turkish language also descends from Middle Eastern civilizations

It is true that the geographical difference is far
I do not try to convince you that the word is Arabic
But for watching this video thank you very much
Thank you for putting the link and the noble dialogue
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
thanks dude for this comment
One word has been preserved throughout history to confirm divinely that Jews and Arabs must be his brother

and really you my achi
GOD bless you ;)
Right back at ya, Achi!
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
All musicians use an Arabic word - at least I think it’s Arabic, it may be Turkish, because I heard it in relation to the life of Rumi.

Jam. It means a spiritual conversation, such as the conversation between Rumi and Shams.

The word came into the western musical lexicon via black Muslim jazz musicians.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
All musicians use an Arabic word - at least I think it’s Arabic, it may be Turkish, because I heard it in relation to the life of Rumi.

Jam. It means a spiritual conversation, such as the conversation between Rumi and Shams.

The word came into the western musical lexicon via black Muslim jazz musicians.

Seriously?

All my research says that it's use originated from when several 'bands' or musical groups would get together informally to play...improvisationally, usually, after a gig. It was called "jam" or "jamming' because it was a sort of 'smashing together' of musicians, the way fruit is 'smashed together' for the fruit preserves called 'jam." THAT 'jam' was an English word coined in the 18th century to refer to the boiling down and smashing together of fruit and sugar to preserve it, as opposed to 'jelly.'

As a musical term, it may have originated among black musicians, but wasn't exclusive to them, even in the beginning. Better to say that it originated among jazz and 'big band' musicians...a HUGE percentage of which were black.

but not, as a rule, Muslim.

Unless of course you are A: pulling our chains with this, or B can show us the etymology of it with a source I couldn't find anywhere?
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Seriously?

All my research says that it's use originated from when several 'bands' or musical groups would get together informally to play...improvisationally, usually, after a gig. It was called "jam" or "jamming' because it was a sort of 'smashing together' of musicians, the way fruit is 'smashed together' for the fruit preserves called 'jam." THAT 'jam' was an English word coined in the 18th century to refer to the boiling down and smashing together of fruit and sugar to preserve it, as opposed to 'jelly.'

As a musical term, it may have originated among black musicians, but wasn't exclusive to them, even in the beginning. Better to say that it originated among jazz and 'big band' musicians...a HUGE percentage of which were black.

but not, as a rule, Muslim.

Unless of course you are A: pulling our chains with this, or B can show us the etymology of it with a source I couldn't find anywhere?

I read that in a book about Rumi many years ago.
 
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dianaiad

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I read that in a book about Rumi many years ago.

Well, darn.

I need a little more than that. ;)

I have looked at the Urban Dictionary, the Oxford dictionary, a couple of encyclopedias and a history of 'black music in America,' and they all point to 'jam' coming from the preserves thing, not from black Muslim musicians (of which there were rather few...most American black musicians at the time were either non-religious or Protestant Christian, with Catholics coming in there somewhere)

I'm sorry. Words are my hot button. Where they come from, what they mean, who uses them.....

The fact that English DOES steal all its vocabulary from elsewhere tickles me.


So if you could find that book, or another source for your claim, I would be really interested....and yes, tickled, to find another source for 'jam' (music).
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
I need a little more than that. ;)

That’s your problem.

I stand by what I have said. That is what I read in a book about Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, and his relationship with Shams-i -Tabrizi.

Your tone is very disrespectful and combative.

Chill.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
That’s your problem.

I stand by what I have said. That is what I read in a book about Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, and his relationship with Shams-i -Tabrizi.

Your tone is very disrespectful and combative.

Chill.

I went out of my way to NOT be disrespectful. I truly would be tickled to find another view of where 'jam' the musical term came from.

But I can't use some guy I don't know on the internet who said that he read it in some book somewhere....and expects me to take his word that this is where the word came from.

I'm quite sure that YOU believe that this is where the word came from.

Because you read it in a book, some time ago...a book the title of which you can't remember.

But I need more than that if I'm going to put your word for it up against all those sources I CAN find and name, including sources specific to music and, specifically, black musicians. If you want to call that being disrespectful, I'm sorry about that.
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Well, darn.

I need a little more than that. ;)

I have looked at the Urban Dictionary, the Oxford dictionary, a couple of encyclopedias and a history of 'black music in America,' and they all point to 'jam' coming from the preserves thing, not from black Muslim musicians (of which there were rather few...most American black musicians at the time were either non-religious or Protestant Christian, with Catholics coming in there somewhere)

I'm sorry. Words are my hot button. Where they come from, what they mean, who uses them.....

The fact that English DOES steal all its vocabulary from elsewhere tickles me.


So if you could find that book, or another source for your claim, I would be really interested....and yes, tickled, to find another source for 'jam' (music).

And salaam [salam] comes from the word salami which, given the Hebrew suffix, means "my peace", clearly presaging John 14:27.


That’s your problem.

I stand by what I have said. That is what I read in a book about Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, and his relationship with Shams-i -Tabrizi.

Your tone is very disrespectful and combative.

Chill.



THANKS ALL brothers for sharing
this is really kind of you
hugg
:hugehug:

god bless you
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
So....don't attempt to trace English words like "law," which originates in Old English and Old German, or 'hormone," which is from the Greek 'hormon,' meaning 'set in action.'
IIRC, the word "law" came into Old English via the Vikings relatively late. Before that, Old English generally used the original term "dōm."
 
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