Time: Does the Bible say what Time is?

[Subduction Zone]

Two problems (at least)

First, light cannot be seen, its frequency is far higher than the human eye can detect. Only its effects on objects xsn be seen.

Second the speed of light differs depending on the substance it is traveling through. Light in vacuum travels 299,792,458 metres per second. About 90,000 metres per second in air at sea level and 61,155 metres per second in liquid sodium. And it can be stopped.

Yes... Stopped Ulta Slow and Stopped Light

I think that you dropped a '2' off the start of the speed of light in air. Last I checked liquid sodium was opaque.

 

[ChristineM]

I think that you dropped a '2' off the start of the speed of light in air. Last I checked liquid sodium was opaque.

My bad, i missed the word "slower", i have edited the post, thanks


Physicists Slow Speed of Light

 

[dybmh]

In my belief (Advaita Hinduism), both time and movement are imaginary, illusions, classified as 'maya'. Only amplitude is real.

Calling time and movement illusions is a little over-simplified, isn't it? Even if Time and Movement do not describe the metaphysical reality; Time and Movement exist, right? Advaita Hinduism would describe them as "Vyāvahārika"?

"Vyāvahārika (vyavahara), or samvriti-saya, consisting of the empirical or pragmatical reality. It is ever changing over time, thus empirically true at a given time and context but not metaphysically true. It is "our world of experience, the phenomenal world that we handle every day when we are awake". It is the level in which both jiva (living creatures or individual souls) and Iswara are true; here, the material world is also true but this is incomplete reality"

hyperlink >>> wikipedia.org - Advaita Vedanta

Edit: Did you notice that Time is necessary for Vyāvahārika to be defined at all. Time is so deeply linked to reality, it is assumed to exist even in non-Dualism???

I wonder how many other core arguments supporting Advaita Hinduism require a concept of Time?

Example: Moksha? Freedom from the influence of Maya? Without the concept of Time and progress, no one would advance in their knowledge and understanding of Atman/Brahman. Without Time, there is no progress, there is no advancement, and the entire Advaita belief system becomes irrelevant, because, there is no progress or advancement to achieve.

What am I missing?

 

[dybmh]

@Aupmanyav : FWIW, I agree with virtually everything you have said about non-duality I just think that Time is an outlier. Time *and* Energy exist? Everything else is an illusion?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Edit: Did you notice that Time is necessary for Vyāvahārika to be defined at all. Time is so deeply linked to reality, it is assumed to exist even in non-Dualism???
I wonder how many other core arguments supporting Advaita Hinduism require a concept of Time?

Example: Moksha? Freedom from the influence of Maya? Without the concept of Time and progress, no one would advance in their knowledge and understanding of Atman/Brahman. Without Time, there is no progress, there is no advancement, and the entire Advaita belief system becomes irrelevant, because, there is no progress or advancement to achieve.

You sure did your home work.
I do not believe in Ishwara, because that becomes another, hurts non-duality. Vyavaharika is a reality but not of the level of Paramarthika. However, Vyavaharika too cannot be ignored. I was talking about Paramarthika.
Yes, the process of getting rid of the influence of 'maya' may take time, because it is something that happens at the Vyavaharika level. With some people it could be years, with others it could be minutes. The study and understanding took time with me but the final realization was in minutes. Now I am at peace because I have found answers to my questions - the answers are amazingly simple - IMV, that is 'Moksha' or deliverance, enlightenment or jnana - nirvana, to be in a place where there are no forests of doubts (that is the literal meaning of nirvana).

 

[Aupmanyav]

I just think that Time is an outlier. Time *and* Energy exist? Everything else is an illusion?

Time is a factor of Vyavaharika. Parmarthika is free of this bondage. Action takes place in Paramarthika instantly even at a distance (Quantum entanglement - Wikipedia). Energy exists. We call it Brahman. As for your question, 'Is everything an illusion?', I will reserve my comment. Presently we/science do not know that. It is possible that existence and non-existence are just two phases of energy. Virtual particles arise from and dissipate into nothingness at will (Virtual particle - Wikipedia). 3,000 years ago, a line in RigVeda talked about that. It will be decades or centuries before we understand this, most probably not in my time. If we want instant answers, we may land up with fallacies. I leave this question to our future generations.

sato bandhumasati niravindan hridi pratīshyākavayo manīshā ll
Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

 

[shmogie]

Yeah, that is the belief in main-line Hinduism (though my beliefs are different). Lakshmi, Parvati, Saraswati are female deities and spouses to male deities. Parvati has two Children, Ganesha and Kartikeya. Rama, Krishna and Buddha (the incarnations of Lord Vishnu) too have their spouses (Krishna seemingly has eight) and children as well.

I wouldn´t know. The Judeo Christian God, the only God, is way, way above a method He created for humans to multiply on the earth.

 

[shmogie]

Women is in the image of God in that she is of Adam. (Gen. 1:27)

Our physical image is just as much the image of God as any other part of our image.

I don't know where you get this 'light and energy' as God. God is light. Yes. God has power, all power, yes. But God is a Person. This is why we have personality. The attributes we have, we have because God has. God is Spirit, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have shape. (John 5:37) "...ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Actually God is spawning children at this time of which we who are Christians are. When Jesus rose from the dead do you think He no longer had genitiles? When your body is raised from the dead, will you have genitiles?

Understand I do not pretend to know all about how the sex is accomplished between God and another. I am saying that we are created sexual beings because God is also.

Good-Ole-Rebel

We were created as sexual beings because God created that method to populate the earth.

Correct, no man has seen God clearly, and directly, I a not sure we ever will. When He shows up in the OT, he is light and energy, as in the burning bush Moses saw.

We were made in Gods image because we can have compassion, emotion, make choices, erc., etc. We reflect God in our personalities and mind, not in the mortal corrupt container for these things.

Christ was resurrected in a body, no doubt, but different from that he had before the resurrection. He arose in a glorified body, and what that means is open to debate, I don´t clearly understand it. Nevertheless, it is good, and the saved will also have glorified bodies. Does that mean that they will still have sexual organs, I don´t know.

Nevertheless, the question is about God, since God cannot reproduce by sexual means ( unlike many of the mythical Gods), and God existed alone before the creation of all the beings in the universe, and no where is it stated that God needed sex to create these beings, He essentially spoke to create what He chose, why would He exist with an organ designed for humans to procreate ?

Is God subject to the rules and laws of biology ? Did He have sex with Mary to create the human body of the incarnation ?

I think the entire idea is weird. Since God could not defile himself with any being He created, and there is only one God, He having a sexual organ for procreation is bizarre.

 

[We Never Know]

My cat knows when i should serve her breakfast and dinner, she knows precisely what time to snooze and when to wake for the local shop opening so she can watch the customers come and go.

You're comparing a trained routine with knowing time.
It's easy to test. Change everything to happen an hour earlier. Tell your cat. If it shows up an hour earlier, then it knows the concept of time, if it shows up at the regular old time, it's trained routine. However after a while it would change its trained routine to match the new time.

 

[ChristineM]

You're comparing a trained routine with knowing time.
It's easy to test. Change everything to happen an hour earlier. Tell your cat. If it shows up an hour earlier, then it knows the concept of time, if it shows up at the regular old time, it's trained routine. However after a while it would change its trained routine to match the new time.

Changing the time is CHANGING the time.

Do you change your watch because you want lunch early?

And of course all the human concept of time is learned,

 

[We Never Know]

Changing the time is CHANGING the time.

Do you change your watch because you want lunch early?

And of course all the human concept of time is learned,

Lol. You wouldn't show up an hour late because you know the concept of time, your cat doesn't.

 

[We Never Know]

Changing the time is CHANGING the time.

Do you change your watch because you want lunch early?

And of course all the human concept of time is learned,

On Oct 27th roll your clock back an hour. Everything(including lunch) will be an hour later compared to/since March. Your cat will have to get a new routine for the new times.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I wouldn´t know. The Judeo Christian God, the only God, is way, way above a method He created for humans to multiply on the earth.

Just one God. That is no fun at all. Our Gods have created the universe 51 times since the last 'Great Dissolution' (Pralaya).

Nevertheless, the question is about God, since God cannot reproduce by sexual means ..
We were made in Gods image ..
I think the entire idea is weird. Since God could not defile himself with any being He created, and there is only one God, He having a sexual organ for procreation is bizarre.

Why? What is the problem? I thought Gods could do anything they wanted.
Since we are made in his image and we have sex organs, what does your God have in that region?
That is one of the problems with your religion. 'Sex is defiling'. In Hinduism, sex is one of the four things that are a must do for a man - Earning, Sex, Fulfilling one's duties and engaging in righteous action, and striving for understanding the nature of life (Artha, Kama, Dharma, Moksha).

 

[We Never Know]

I wouldn´t know. The Judeo Christian God, the only God, is way, way above a method He created for humans to multiply on the earth.

But he wants humans to multiply his way or he looks down upon their sin. IOW do it my way or it's wrong.

 

[Skwim]

That is my concept o Brahman in 'Advaita' Hinduism. But what is change? If an electron is whirring, it will keep on whirring all the time, that is no change. Change is something which changes its whirring. Brahman is not static. It is inherently and eternally dynamic, like a particle in Feynman's diagram. It was whirring at the time the universe was formed, it will keep on whirring till the universe lasts. The word 'change' has to be understood.

So what happens when something whirrs? I assume you mean it goes around. And when something goes around it moves. And when it moves it changes position.


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[ChristineM]

Lol. You wouldn't show up an hour late because you know the concept of time, your cat doesn't.

Why would a cat want to be late for dinner?

 

[ChristineM]

On Oct 27th roll your clock back an hour. Everything(including lunch) will be an hour later compared to/since March. Your cat will have to get a new routine for the new times.

Thats intervention in pseudo time. The earth doesn't stop for an hour because "some" countries CHANGE the time

 

[dybmh]

So what happens when something whirrs? I assume you mean it goes around. And when something goes around it moves. And when it moves it changes position..

How would you describe something that is consistently changing? Is it actually changing?

 

[Skwim]

How would you describe something that is consistently changing? Is it actually changing?

Yes. Change denotes becoming different, be it a different color, shape, tone, size, speed, height, weight, position, or whatever. That this "becoming different" is on-going doesn't mean there's no longer any changing. If an object only keeps going between point A and point B for a thousand years its position is still a matter of continually becoming different: changing.

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[shmogie]

But he wants humans to multiply his way or he looks down upon their sin. IOW do it my way or it's wrong.

Yes, because He obviously created males and females for that exact purpose, all the parts fit and the mechanism works as intended.

He created us, and determines what is acceptable based upon his creative purpose, and what is not.

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

You have total free will to do whatever you choose, yet we all must deal with the consequences of poor choices.

You are free to ignore God, and do whatever you choose.