Frank Goad
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What do you think of Jeremiah 29:8-9?
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So you could have given us the text.
It's just copy and paste.
You ask the readers to go find it.
Jeremiah 29:8-9
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
interesting situation.What do you think of Jeremiah 29:8-9?
What do you think of Jeremiah 29:8-9?
This reminds me so powerfully of just one group in particular
Jehovah Witnesses..
JW's came out of the Miller church - after the Millerites made many
failed predictions about the coming Messiah.
Only JW's were worse - they made a series of failed predictions from
about the American Civil War, right through to 1975.
All of them failed, spectacularly.
This reminds me so powerfully of just one group in particularJeremiah 29:8-9
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
interesting situation.
This reminds me so powerfully of just one group in particular
Christians..
Your messiah hasn't even fulfilled any of the messianic prophecies, so it's pretty brazen of you to propose new ones.Christian prophecy (as opposed to those already fulfilled with the closing of the Old Testament) is as follows -
The Gospel will be preached in all the world
Jesus will be believed upon by the Gentiles
Kings will be amazed at His disfigured figure upon the cross
The Jews will be exiled into all the world
"Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the Gentiles time is fulfilled"
The Jews will return to their homeland and take it back with the sword
Enemies to the far north and the Middle East will attack Israel but be defended by an ally not known to the bible authors
(Not sure about this Armageddon thing...)
The nations will mourn the coming of the Messiah, this time as king.
We are at least half way through this list.
From the time of Samuel Israel had schools for prophets.
It might be helpful to look at when Jeremiah lived and who he was speaking to...….
Your messiah hasn't even fulfilled any of the messianic prophecies yet, so it's pretty brazen of you to propose new ones.
Messiah is a King. Jesus was not a king. He doesn't get a second chance.We know from the Old Testament that the Messiah will come, first as Redeemer and then
as King. Christians hold that Jesus is the Redeemer.
No, quite the opposite; they'll return and the ten lost tribes with them.With the coming of the Messiah Israel will go into exile or death - that happened.
But the Jews didn't.The Gentiles embraced the Jewish Messiah - that happened
I don't even know what this means.The Gentile's time is "fulfilled" could be now - with the fall of Christianity
Great!The fall of the churches is now under way - the collapse/politicization of religion.
So where are the ten lost tribes? Where's the world peace? The messiah king? The worldwide knowledge of the G-d of Israel as G-d?The Jews are returning to Israel - right now.
The irony is it is referring to the Babylonian Talmud, and other Pharisaic writings that have now become the stock of modern Rabbinic Judaism.Not that a certain group has ever been very good at that.