Islam: What Muslims teach children in Dutch schools

[Baroodi]

Already done, see post #116

Sorry dear, I am not a fool to believe a video in YouTube.

 

[danieldemol]

Sorry dear, I am not a fool to believe a video in YouTube.

Yeah but I also posted the link to the scientific survey he bases his calculations off in post #116, did that survey escape your attention, or where you to busy implying other people are foolish to do the calculations yourself?

 

[Baroodi]

Yeah but I also posted the link to the scientific survey he bases his calculations off in post #116, did that survey escape your attention, or where you to busy implying other people are foolish to do the calculations yourself?

that is a scientific survey!!!? alright, is it scientifically reliable, valid and Rigorous? not at all.
Quran teaches me ( And fight in the cause of God those who fight you and do not transgress, Indeed Allah does not like transgressors) 1:190
and teaches me ( Allah does not forbids you from dealing kindly and justly with those who do not fight you or drive you out of your homes. Indeed Allah loves those who deal fairly. 60:9.
If a fool followed a crazy imposter in the name of god, he should blame no one other than himself
Any pretending Islam acting against such verses is not a follower to Quran and God messenger Mohammad.
How many scientific researches in our unethical time are cooked and fabricated? so many

 

[danieldemol]

that is a scientific survey!!!? alright, is it scientifically reliable, valid and Rigorous? not at all.

ROFL since when does “I don’t like the result” demonstrate that a survey is not reliable valid and rigorous? I bet you never even studied their methodology to determine that it’s not so.

Quran teaches me ( And fight in the cause of God those who fight you and do not transgress, Indeed Allah does not like transgressors) 1:190
and teaches me ( Allah does not forbids you from dealing kindly and justly with those who do not fight you or drive you out of your homes. Indeed Allah loves those who deal fairly. 60:9.

Whether you like it or not, your interpretation of Islam is not the only interpretation of Islam.

If a fool followed a crazy imposter in the name of god, he should blame no one other than himself
Any pretending Islam acting against such verses is not a follower to Quran and God messenger Mohammad.

Except that they don’t believe they are pretending to follow, they believe that they are following because they have their own Hadith which they consider authentic which supports their view. Not all professed Muslims are Quran alone Muslims.

How many scientific researches in our unethical time are cooked and fabricated? so many

Calling a survey cooked and fabricated without even investigating the methodology used or taking an independent survey is just unfounded slander. There are enough Muslims in the world with the resources to produce an independent survey, Muslims don’t conduct such surveys because they want people kept in the dark about their internal problems. It is dishonest in my opinion.

 

[Baroodi]

ROFL since when does “I don’t like the result” demonstrate that a survey is not reliable valid and rigorous? I bet you never even studied their methodology to determine that it’s not so.



Whether you like it or not, your interpretation of Islam is not the only interpretation of Islam.



Except that they don’t believe they are pretending to follow, they believe that they are following because they have their own Hadith which they consider authentic which supports their view. Not all professed Muslims are Quran alone Muslims.


Calling a survey cooked and fabricated without even investigating the methodology used or taking an independent survey is just unfounded slander. There are enough Muslims in the world with the resources to produce an independent survey, Muslims don’t conduct such surveys because they want people kept in the dark about their internal problems. It is dishonest in my opinion.

be pragmatic and give one example to indicate Muslims are terrorists. are they demolishing houses of innocent citizens? are they besieging nations and imposing embargoes? did they start world war 1or 2 or used the nuclear bombs? did they sold their ethics for money? are they gaining profits from selling weapons of wars and destruction? Please don`t give example of frustrated outlier fanatics like ISIS motivated by despair and hopelessness in the face of oppression and injustice practiced even in international stages like UN and security council controlled by bully guys. And who supplies groups like ISIS with weapons to occupy such vast lands in Iraq and Syria for years? Some bad guys are machinating plots here and there and they are leading the world to bad fate. The world is full of resources to keep every creature in this world happy but we need pioneers to lead us to comprehensive peace without partiality, injustice and nepotism. We need new Mandates to reform bodies like UN and security council to herald such pioneering under mottoes of freedom of creed, respect of humanity and equality in rights for dignified life for all.

 

[danieldemol]

be pragmatic and give one example to indicate Muslims are terrorists.

Well since you set the bar so low this is from Aljezeera just a week ago:
“On Sunday, an angry mob ransacked the school where the incident allegedly took place and attacked a Hindu temple, badly damaging its interior, members of the Hindu community told Al Jazeera.

"In the temple, they broke the windows, and the things inside, including our idols, were also damaged," said Mukhi Kika Ram, the leader of the local Hindu community.

Ram said several shops and homes were also damaged by rioters.”

And further
‘Blasphemy is a sensitive subject in Pakistan, where at least 75 people have been killed since 1990 in connection with allegations of the crime, according to an Al Jazeera tally’

Source: Pakistani police detain Hindu school principal over 'blasphemy'

And who supplies groups like ISIS with weapons to occupy such vast lands in Iraq and Syria for years?

I’m opposed to supplying Islamic State with arms, and strange of you to apologise on their behalf on one hand, yet question who supplies them on the other.

Some bad guys are machinating plots here and there and they are leading the world to bad fate. The world is full of resources to keep every creature in this world happy but we need pioneers to lead us to comprehensive peace without partiality, injustice and nepotism. We need new Mandates to reform bodies like UN and security council to herald such pioneering under mottoes of freedom of creed, respect of humanity and equality in rights for dignified life for all.

Exactly and we won’t have that for as long as people deny that there are people out there killing apostates and blasphemers.

 

[Bob Jones]

Can it be that schools that teach this dont know the real Islam and teaching false Islam to the kids. You guys keep advocatin Islam as evil. May it be that it is People who are evil and use Islam as a shield to do evil deeds?

People who suggest that ISLAM is not evil have never read the Quran(maybe a few verses) or the Hadith. Regretfully, Islam was founded hundreds of years after the Axial Age of mankind or otherwise known as the great religious transformation. Instead of embracing kindness,the Koran adopts the desert mentality of feudal war lords of the time, including their obsession with sexual matters.

 

[Bob Jones]

I can assure you (99% sure using common sense only, no proof) it were not Dutch people who made up the test (unless they had a death wish)

As I informed you in the OP
(Recently it hit the national news that fundamentalist Islam was funding mosques in the Netherlands)
So maybe it was some "dirty" Imam making sure this material needed to be taught (just speculation)

More important question IMO:
How come if "Islam is Religion of Peace"
That there are Muslims teaching in Dutch schools "Unbelievers deserve the death penalty"

It is not only Dutch Schools, Germany has been somewhat routinely closing schools who advocate Islamic Hatred.

 

[Spirit of Light]

People who suggest that ISLAM is not evil have never read the Quran(maybe a few verses) or the Hadith. Regretfully, Islam was founded hundreds of years after the Axial Age of mankind or otherwise known as the great religious transformation. Instead of embracing kindness,the Koran adopts the desert mentality of feudal war lords of the time, including their obsession with sexual matters.

I have read the Quran 4-5 times, focusing on what is good about Islam, instead of only looking at what is negative. Is there negative within Islam? yes it is. And it is the negative that Fundamentalists use to scare people.
I do not know if you ever been to Iraq, but if you travel in the north of Iraq you will find Muslims who are very calm and good people, who are welcoming you in for a coffee or water. But if you travel in more extreme countries like Afghanistan and so, then you see a different form of Islam. But that is the extremists who made their version of Islam that bad.

 

[Bob Jones]

I have read the Quran 4-5 times, focusing on what is good about Islam, instead of only looking at what is negative. Is there negative within Islam? yes it is. And it is the negative that Fundamentalists use to scare people.
I do not know if you ever been to Iraq, but if you travel in the north of Iraq you will find Muslims who are very calm and good people, who are welcoming you in for a coffee or water. But if you travel in more extreme countries like Afghanistan and so, then you see a different form of Islam. But that is the extremists who made their version of Islam that bad.

I must admit if your world travels took you to those countries,you surely had nerves of steel. I have just finished a book about an American who walked from one end of Afghanistan to Kabul, very entertaining but very dangerous! Where you in the armed forces or a tourist?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I must admit if your world travels took you to those countries,you surely had nerves of steel. I have just finished a book about an American who walked from one end of Afghanistan to Kabul, very entertaining but very dangerous! Where you in the armed forces or a tourist?

I was a tourist I am have never been in the military
I been to almost every European country, Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Thailand and some other smaller countries

 

[Wasp]

People who suggest that ISLAM is not evil have never read the Quran(maybe a few verses) or the Hadith.

You suggest zero Muslims have read the quran and the hadith?

 

[Bob Jones]

You suggest zero Muslims have read the quran and the hadith?

Touche!

 

[stvdv]

People who suggest that ISLAM is not evil have never read the Quran(maybe a few verses) or the Hadith.

Most people might have been a true fact

as already:

42.7% of Muslims Illiterate, Reveals Census Data

42.7% of Muslims Illiterate, Reveals Census Data

 

[firedragon]

Fact: In Dutch Muslim schools they have been teaching Muslim children below things about Islam:
1) People with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
2) Someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic Pillars ... "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."

Born a Muslim, been in a traditional Muslim family/society, I have never ever heard of this kind of teaching in any kind of school or whatever. If this is true then I tend to think its a problem with the country.

 

[stvdv]

Born a Muslim, been in a traditional Muslim family/society, I have never ever heard of this kind of teaching in any kind of school or whatever. If this is true then I tend to think its a problem with the country.

Islam has 1 problem: Islamists

Holland indeed has 1 problem: Too good
Allowing extremism to grow because of:
1) Freedom of Religion
2) Freedom of Speech

Muslim extremists got a chance but abused the Dutch Freedom. And will be under full serveillance from now on by Dutch AIVD (like CIA) I guess.

So Dutch problem will be solved I think

I do hope that Islam solves their problems
Facing Islam shortcomings is first step

 

[firedragon]

Islam has 1 problem: Islamists

Holland indeed has 1 problem: Too good
Allowing extremism to grow because of:
1) Freedom of Religion
2) Freedom of Speech

Muslim extremists got a chance but abused the Dutch Freedom. And will be under full serveillance from now on by Dutch AIVD (like CIA) I guess.

So Dutch problem will be solved I think

I do hope that Islam solves their problems
Facing Islam shortcomings is first step

So youre saying its a problem with the country. Where I am, we dont have this problem. Not so far.

 

[stvdv]

So youre saying its a problem with the country. Where I am, we dont have this problem. Not so far.

No, that is not what I said

Which country you're from?

 

[Wasp]

No, that is not what I said

Which country you're from?

I'm sure you can find breitbart somewhere saying they have the problem too....

 

[firedragon]

No, that is not what I said

Which country you're from?

Brother. No point asking me which country I'm from. I could give you bogus information. This is the internet.