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Why Does America Have the Greatest Economic Inequality of any Advanced Nation?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Why does America have the greatest economic inequality of any advanced nation?

Why is America among the worst of the advanced nations for equality of economic opportunity?

Equality of economic opportunity = your chances of getting ahead regardless of who your parents were and how much money they had.



Good background, if you need it:

 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
My view as a none american, the promotion of the American dream that anyone can climb to success.

Many climbers use downtrodden masses as foot holds.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Why does America have the greatest economic inequality of any advanced nation?

Why is America among the worst of the advanced nations for equality of economic opportunity?

Equality of economic opportunity = your chances of getting ahead regardless of who your parents were and how much money they had.

The main reason that I can see is that too many people accept it and go along with it as some kind of "natural order."

I actually blame Ronald Reagan, along with his mindless, robotic followers (aka "Ronnie Robots"). Reaganomics, often called "voodoo economics," is the economic system favored by Wall Street criminals and mobsters. The drug cartels and kingpins actually flourished and became wealthy, along with the bankers who laundered their money - even though Reagan was supposedly committed to a "war on drugs" against them.

I don't believe these people have any sense of compassion or charity, so they don't care how many "little people" get screwed on their way to Easy Street. But unlike the industrialists of yesteryear, the capitalists of today have no sense of civic responsibility or any concern about the future of America itself.

Despite the moral failings of the early industrialists and sweatshop owners, they still wanted America as a whole to improve and get bigger and better, which it did - for better or worse. They created and built the infrastructure and industry which helped make America great. In contrast, today's capitalists are gutting that infrastructure, outsourcing that industry - while watching America quietly sink in a sea of red ink, a diminished credit rating, and a rapidly declining standard of living.

Our role as world leader and our ability to influence world affairs has also diminished since the Vietnam era. We often hear about how China is up and coming and will surpass us, while America stagnates and devolves.

I would put that upon the economic elite of this country. It's one thing if they want to screw the working classes and make themselves obscenely rich, but what do they have to show for it? How has America improved under their economic leadership? These are the questions we should be asking.

It's one thing if they have no sense of compassion, charity, or empathy for their fellow human beings. Likewise, they may be irredeemably greedy and without any moral compass whatsoever.

But one has to wonder: Where is their sense of pride and dignity? Why do they believe that getting rich from being weasels, scavengers, and leeches is something respectable? Why do they consider it a great accomplishment worthy of great rewards?

Where we once had lions of industry, now we have vultures. And people wonder why America is in a state of decline.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Ok, so what is the solution?
The solution is to avoid the party responsible for the problem.

Republicans are against the following:
-Raising the minimum wage
-Affordable education
-Affordable health care
-Labor Unions
-Regulations
-Tax increase for the wealthy
-Limiting campaign donations by corporations (corporations are people)
-etc
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The solution is to avoid the party responsible for the problem.

Republicans are against the following:
-Raising the minimum wage
-Affordable education
-Affordable health care
-Labor Unions
-Regulations
-Tax increase for the wealthy
-Limiting campaign donations by corporations (corporations are people)
-etc
To be fair, most Democrat politicians haven’t exactly been championing these ideas either. So in addition to avoiding the corporate Republicans, you should also be shunning the corporate Democrats.

Particularly in the primaries. Get rid of those Democrats who take big corporate money and serve their big corporate masters. Vote for those who take only small dollar donations, from real people.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
To be fair, most Democrat politicians haven’t exactly been championing these ideas either. So in addition to avoiding the corporate Republicans, you should also be shunning the corporate Democrats.
I'm talking about party platforms. Give me an example of a corporate democrat and a policy siding with republicans?

Particularly in the primaries. Get rid of those Democrats who take big corporate money and serve their big corporate masters. Vote for those who take only small dollar donations, from real people.
At this point in the process, I support Elizabeth Warren. I recall saying she should have been the presidential candidate in 2016 instead of Hillary.
You do have democratic candidates willing to shun corporate donations. I've never seen 1 person on the republican side do the same. Or even hint at it.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I'm talking about party platforms. Give me an example of a corporate democrat and a policy siding with republicans?


At this point in the process, I support Elizabeth Warren. I recall saying she should have been the presidential candidate in 2016 instead of Hillary.
You do have democratic candidates willing to shun corporate donations. I've never seen 1 person on the republican side do the same. Or even hint at it.

Party platforms get pitched as soon as the person is elected.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Why does America have the greatest economic inequality of any advanced nation?
Good question.

It's probably a complex answer to the question, and we can only speculate on what different aspects could be part of it.

One reason might be that we glorify wealth in America, and it has fostered a grab-n-hold attitude. Don't give, just take. And that creates a process where people will fall below over time. Some will win, and they become fewer in numbers on top, and larger number on bottom.

The other is that the religious leaders don't talk about caring for community, the poor, the sick, the people in need. They don't push their members to think in those lines, but rather they perpetuate an attitude of greed. God only loves you if you make money, and giving to the poor is a bad thing.

Why is America among the worst of the advanced nations for equality of economic opportunity?
It's also the reason why it has become so rich. Take, not give, builds wealth.

Equality of economic opportunity = your chances of getting ahead regardless of who your parents were and how much money they had.
Some would argue that this is socialism, and that's a bad word here. The majority of Americans hate the word "socialism" today, and anything that involves giving to someone for free is "socialism" to them. Also, the churches claim socialism is from the devil, which just makes it worse.

Some of my takes on it, but there's plenty more I'm sure.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The solution is to avoid the party responsible for the problem.

Republicans are against the following:
-Raising the minimum wage
-Affordable education
-Affordable health care
-Labor Unions
-Regulations
-Tax increase for the wealthy
-Limiting campaign donations by corporations (corporations are people)
-etc

Well, good luck with that.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Scrap the Chicago School and Trickle-Down economics and go back to something more Keynesian ?
Rescind the many unnoticed laws and policies promulgated by Corporate interests over the last 30+ years?

So, here is the equation provided.

"Equality of economic opportunity = your chances of getting ahead regardless of who your parents were and how much money they had."

If the equation is accurate, the answer should be found in the equation itself. Taking the information provided by the equation, how do you balance it?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
To be fair, most Democrat politicians haven’t exactly been championing these ideas either. So in addition to avoiding the corporate Republicans, you should also be shunning the corporate Democrats.

Particularly in the primaries. Get rid of those Democrats who take big corporate money and serve their big corporate masters. Vote for those who take only small dollar donations, from real people.

Democrats didn't fix it when they had the chance. Don't know why folks think it will be any different when their turn comes around again.

I really don't think looking to the government is any kind of solution. Kind of like a baseball game, each team takes a turn at bat, but the rules of the game, the economic rules, don't change.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Perhaps the rich don't want a middle class -- more wealth for them.
Corporations seek to maximize profits by keeping costs down, and workers cost. Worst case scenario: they unionize.
Worker productivity has increased manyfold in the past few decades, while wages have remained stagnant. Union membership has decreased significantly. The company keeps a larger and larger share of the profits.
A middle class is problematic. They make trouble, they want a fair share of the profit they produce. They're idealistic, and secure enough that they can afford to be disruptive -- just look at the trouble they caused during the '60s. Best keep them busy, insecure and compliant.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Democrats didn't fix it when they had the chance. Don't know why folks think it will be any different when their turn comes around again.

I really don't think looking to the government is any kind of solution. Kind of like a baseball game, each team takes a turn at bat, but the rules of the game, the economic rules, don't change.
The Democrats made the mistake of abandoning the working class for what they hoped would be better funding from the technical class. The decision came back to bite them in the arse, though, when their working class base abandoned the party for the Republicans.

Hopefully they've seen their error. Voters are beginning to catch on to the Republicans' sleight-of-hand. There's a resurgence of interest in New Deal style politics and politicians.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The Democrats made the mistake of abandoning the working class for what they hoped would be better funding from the technical class. The decision came back to bite them in the arse, though, when their working class base abandoned the party for the Republicans.

Hopefully they've seen their error. Voters are beginning to catch on to the Republicans' sleight-of-hand. There's a resurgence of interest in New Deal style politics and politicians.

Back in the 80s I held the same type faith in republicans. We've be pushing for environmentalism since the 7th century.
Timeline of history of environmentalism - Wikipedia

I suppose every generation believes they will be the champions of the earth. The politics however never change. If Democrats do, great, if not maybe after we get a few more centuries under our belt.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Democrats didn't fix it when they had the chance. Don't know why folks think it will be any different when their turn comes around again.
Hopefully they learned their lesson. Abandoning the working classes for better funding from the technical class backfired, and the Republicans were right there to pander to them.
I really don't think looking to the government is any kind of solution. Kind of like a baseball game, each team takes a turn at bat, but the rules of the game, the economic rules, don't change.
If not regulation by the people, what's the alternative? Unregulated, predatory, Dog-eat-dog, Chicago-school, free-market, corporate libertarians? They're the ones destroying the middle class, sending jobs overseas and hoarding all the wealth.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Hopefully they learned their lesson. Abandoning the working classes for better funding from the technical class backfired, and the Republicans were right there to pander to them.

If not regulation by the people, what's the alternative? Unregulated, predatory, Dog-eat-dog, Chicago-school, free-market, corporate libertarians? They're the ones destroying the middle class, sending jobs overseas and hoarding all the wealth.

I think there is too much vested interest in government manipulating the political elite. Hasn't worked so far. Politicians give lip service to solutions. Still waiting.
 
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