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Fearing death

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
A book by a religious funnymentalist about his belief is not evidence
A speculative book about what is unknown is not evidence
And i can say the same for a book by a 350 year old mystic

Novels are not evidence
As I say to all my atheist friends, you will have the evidence *you require* after you die and go to the spiritual world.
I cannot say what will happen after that because only God knows.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As I say to all my atheist friends, you will have the evidence *you require* after you die and go to the spiritual world.
I cannot say what will happen after that because only God knows.


What you should say if you were honest about if is "i believe you may have the evidence *you require* after you die and go to the spiritual world". But we cant expect honesty can we?
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
7billion copies of a learning device
each one producing a unique soul
and it all ends in dust?

no one survives the last breath?

not one chance in billions?

and then Man would be a mystery
with only extinction pending

Humanity never was nor ever will be a single member of its species but always the cascade of similar kinds slowly drifting as it falls to new total configurations. Individual souls are a trivial outcome of a more elegant, natural creation.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What you should say if you were honest about if is "i believe you may have the evidence *you require* after you die and go to the spiritual world". But we cant expect honesty can we?
I do not believe, I know, so it would be dishonest for me to say I believe.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I do not believe, I know, so it would be dishonest for me to say I believe.

No you dont, how can you possibly know, have you been and checked it out, do you have photos or signed affidavits, any evidence at all.

No you have not, what you have is belief and judging by what you put forward as evidence you also have an unhealthy amount of confirmation bias.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I know many christians and a large proportion of them appear to think they are holier than mr and mrs average, the fact that they are also me or mrs average does not seem to phase them

I'm sure there are those. To be frank, sometimes I wonder if it is just a combination of: misinterpretation, perspectives, or failure to explain correctly.

I've been around Christians since I was 28 years old and, quite frankly, I haven't heard one person with that perspective. Rather an incorrect way of expressing their thoughts seems to be more of the status quo. (my viewpoint)
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
So where is it? My point is lack of evidence.

And my belief, backed up by evidence is that we die and our constituent atoms are reused by nature. That is truth

No, that's your opinion. Truth itself has nothing to do with your opinion...or mine, for that matter. The most we can hope for is that our opinions march with truth, because we can't make truth fit our opinions. You claim that there is no evidence for life after death. Well, there isn't, that you acknowledge to be evidence you can trust. I claim that you have no evidence that their isn't any life after death, and frankly you don't have any. So we put our faith in what we believe to be good evidence, for US.

The point is, Christine, that I think there IS evidence. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't believe in it. I'm also aware that there is no way the evidence I accept will be good enough for you. (shrug) Not my problem.

As for me, I figure that when I die, which will probably be a lot sooner than you will, I'll either find out....or I won't. Either way is good enough for me.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Our children will abide by our wishes.

I'm sure they will. Have you forbidden them even to acknowledge that you died and aren't there any longer? No dinner, no 'wake,' no visiting back and forth saying 'I'm going to miss them..." or "do you remember when s/he did..."????

If so, you are doing them a grave disservice.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
A book by a religious funnymentalist about his belief is not evidence
A speculative book about what is unknown is not evidence
And i can say the same for a book by a 350 year old mystic

Novels are not evidence

Yes they are.

They just aren't evidence YOU like.

Evidence is anything that prompts belief. NOBODY believes something 'without evidence.' There's always some reason, and that reason is....evidence for the believer.

It might not be 'good,' i.e., scientific or objective, or even factual. But...it's evidence. The task is to figure out what evidence is worth paying attention to, and frankly?

In terms of religious beliefs, you don't get to define what 'good' evidence is for anybody but you.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Yes they are.

They just aren't evidence YOU like.

Evidence is anything that prompts belief. NOBODY believes something 'without evidence.' There's always some reason, and that reason is....evidence for the believer.

It might not be 'good,' i.e., scientific or objective, or even factual. But...it's evidence. The task is to figure out what evidence is worth paying attention to, and frankly?

In terms of religious beliefs, you don't get to define what 'good' evidence is for anybody but you.

That is NOT evidence, mere belief!
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No, that's your opinion. Truth itself has nothing to do with your opinion...or mine, for that matter. The most we can hope for is that our opinions march with truth, because we can't make truth fit our opinions. You claim that there is no evidence for life after death. Well, there isn't, that you acknowledge to be evidence you can trust. I claim that you have no evidence that their isn't any life after death, and frankly you don't have any. So we put our faith in what we believe to be good evidence, for US.

The point is, Christine, that I think there IS evidence. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't believe in it. I'm also aware that there is no way the evidence I accept will be good enough for you. (shrug) Not my problem.

As for me, I figure that when I die, which will probably be a lot sooner than you will, I'll either find out....or I won't. Either way is good enough for me.

Please so not try insulting my intelligence, my opinion is based on facts abs evidence. I. E. Real truth, not bronze age myth, god magic and fairies.

As i said, where is it? If you cannot locate it then is that not evidence i im correct.

Also science is my evidence, the first law of thermodynamics.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Yes they are.

They just aren't evidence YOU like.

Evidence is anything that prompts belief. NOBODY believes something 'without evidence.' There's always some reason, and that reason is....evidence for the believer.

It might not be 'good,' i.e., scientific or objective, or even factual. But...it's evidence. The task is to figure out what evidence is worth paying attention to, and frankly?

In terms of religious beliefs, you don't get to define what 'good' evidence is for anybody but you.


So Diadem Alley has evidence for its existence in london because the harry potter books say so... Cool

Evidence : the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I e., Not what you want to believe but what is
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
So Diadem Alley has evidence for its existence in london because the harry potter books say so... Cool

Evidence : the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I e., Not what you want to believe but what is

The HP books are just as credible as the Bible.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
so if the story makes you uncomfortable.....
scrap it and call it false

Since when did validating information become uncomfortable! Actually sounds like you have it back to front, i.e, validating what you read before actually holding is to be worthwhile makes you uncomfortable. What other reason would there be to reject due diligence?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Since when did validating information become uncomfortable! Actually sounds like you have it back to front, i.e, validating what you read before actually holding is to be worthwhile makes you uncomfortable. What other reason would there be to reject due diligence?
I see no means to validate any scripture
the whole bible is one story after another

and fearing death is relieved for reading it?
I think not

and fear of death is relieved for denial?
I think not
 
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