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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
So they shouldn't be sent to hell for doing wrong?
First, please keep in mind there are more than one hells:
* There is a religious-myth hell of burning forever that is taught as being Scripture but is Not Scripture.
* There is the Bible's hell which is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
This is what Jesus teaches at John 11:11-14 that the dead sleep in death.
Sleep in death is also what is taught at Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Plus, the Bible's hell comes to a final end and 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians15:26; Isaiah 25:8

Those judged adversely as being wicked will be 'destroyed forever' according to Psalms 92:7
 

Audie

Veteran Member
What makes me think something can be done is found in the words of Mark 6:51; Mark 4:39
Jesus showed his coming power over weather phenomenon ( climate change )
Jesus' power will include the whole earth becoming beautiful and paradisical as written in Isaiah 35th chapter
You are not aware that you live in a dream world.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Thanks for your thoughts.
I fully agree that money and power appear to be the things most groups and multinational corporations care about.
What measures do you think would be helpful?


MASSIVE investment in clean energy and MASSIVE effort to ban fossil fuels asap.
That would be a good start.

Some quota on methane produce cattle would be helfpull

And by "massive", I do mean "massive". As in: trillions of dollars.
Yes, that would hurt all of us.

But at least our grand grand grand grand children will still have a livable planet.

Incidently, it would also solve "the middle east" problem. Imagine the transformation countries like Saudi Arabia would have to go through, if their black gold is suddenly worthless.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You are not aware that you live in a dream world.
I think a lot of people think the Bible is a ' dream world '.
I find if we compare the Biblical with the world as it is today the Biblical will win out.
In the past, the Bible informs us that God used the political / military world as His arm of the law.
God used ancient Babylon, God used the Roman armies in the year 70 against un-faithful Jerusalem.
Today, Christendom (so-called Christian world) is the modern-day counterpart to un-faithful Jerusalem.
Thus, by going by past Biblical record then God will once again use the political /military world.
As it was a surprise in the past, so then it shall be a coming surprise today.
The ' world of Christendom ' will be the first to go. First to be gotten rid of.
When the world's ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." then surprisingly the political world will turn on the religious world triggering the great tribulation before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will the the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But at least our grand grand grand grand children will still have a livable planet.
Incidently, it would also solve "the middle east" problem. Imagine the transformation countries like Saudi Arabia would have to go through, if their black gold is suddenly worthless.

Speaking of worthless, I find at Ezekiel 7:19 the time is coming when ' gold ' (black or otherwise) will be worthless.
Also, check out Zephaniah 1:18.

Sure, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand children will have a liveable planet.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and usher in global Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
Because of Jesus, Earth will become a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden was - Revelation 22:2
There is coming ' healing ' for earth's nations.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I think a lot of people think the Bible is a ' dream world '.
I find if we compare the Biblical with the world as it is today the Biblical will win out.
In the past, the Bible informs us that God used the political / military world as His arm of the law.
God used ancient Babylon, God used the Roman armies in the year 70 against un-faithful Jerusalem.
Today, Christendom (so-called Christian world) is the modern-day counterpart to un-faithful Jerusalem.
Thus, by going by past Biblical record then God will once again use the political /military world.
As it was a surprise in the past, so then it shall be a coming surprise today.
The ' world of Christendom ' will be the first to go. First to be gotten rid of.
When the world's ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." then surprisingly the political world will turn on the religious world triggering the great tribulation before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will the the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth.

If you compare what the bible says to the earth as
it is, we find some big discrepancies.

Rocks dont cure snake bite
And little things, like that the earth was not
created in six days, stars do not fall,
and there was no flood.

It is downright hallucinatory to claim the bible
will "win out" in a comparison.


As I said, a dream world. Fantasy world.
One with mermaids and unicorns, magic
and monsters,talking animals.

Of course a lot of people are going to see
that as a dream world. What kind of person
does not?

The bible "informs us" of a lot of things that
are obviously not true, a very unreliable text.

Sometimes it may be approximately correct.
Are approximations true and perfect?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If you compare what the bible says to the earth as
it is, we find some big discrepancies.
Rocks dont cure snake bite
And little things, like that the earth was not
created in six days, stars do not fall,
and there was no flood.
It is downright hallucinatory to claim the bible
will "win out" in a comparison.
As I said, a dream world. Fantasy world.
One with mermaids and unicorns, magic
and monsters,talking animals.
Of course a lot of people are going to see
that as a dream world. What kind of person
does not?
The bible "informs us" of a lot of things that
are obviously not true, a very unreliable text.
Sometimes it may be approximately correct.
Are approximations true and perfect?

Of course rocks don't cure snake bites. To what are you referring __________
Genesis is about getting ready the already existing Earth, getting Earth ready for mankind.
The ' six ' creative days are summed up by the singular word ' day ' at Genesis 2:24.
Just as we might speak of grandfather's day and Not meaning a literal day, so too with the creative days.
People make the approximations and approximations do Not make the Bible as wrong just the approximations.

What is going to be a ' dream world ' is when the powers that be are saying, " Peace and Security...."
That so-called ' Peace' is going to prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14,9.
The ' dream world ' is that religion ' she ' thinks of her self as some sort of religious ' queen ' that will never see sorrow, so it will be a shock when the political turns on the religious world starting with corrupted Christendom.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Speaking of worthless, I find at Ezekiel 7:19 the time is coming when ' gold ' (black or otherwise) will be worthless.
Also, check out Zephaniah 1:18.

Sure, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand children will have a liveable planet.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and usher in global Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
Because of Jesus, Earth will become a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden was - Revelation 22:2
There is coming ' healing ' for earth's nations.

Sorry, no... No bronze age jewish zombies are coming to save the planet for us. We'll have to do that ourselves.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Sorry, no... No bronze age jewish zombies are coming to save the planet for us. We'll have to do that ourselves.
I don't think the 1st century was the Bronze age.
Within the past 6,000 + years if mankind could ' do it themselves ' they would have made progress by now.
Rather, they have made progress in displaying a selfish distorted form of love outside of the Golden Rule.
Mankind's history shows that man has dominated man to man's injury, to man's hurt.
So, mankind will throw their gold, etc. figuratively in the streets because it will become worthless.
Rather, than put trust in man, the son of man, who can Not bring about saving the planet because their best efforts fail.
Whereas, the Bible provides the antidote that poisons society today with: a warning, a solution, and a promise.
* The warning to the wicked that the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
* The solution of Daniel 2:44 that only God's kingdom government can be the lasting solution - Matthew 24:14
* The promise that there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2; 1 Corinthians 15:26
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Within the past 6,000 + years if mankind could ' do it themselves ' they would have made progress by now.

Climate change is a problem caused by the last 150 years of human activity, and we've known about it for some 50 years at least.

But in any case, if humans don't solve there problems, then the problems will remain unsolved. Nobody else is going to do it for us.

Rather, they have made progress in displaying a selfish distorted form of love outside of the Golden Rule.

That is an opinion.

Mankind's history shows that man has dominated man to man's injury, to man's hurt.

And to man's hapiness and well-being too.

So, mankind will throw their gold, etc. figuratively in the streets because it will become worthless.
Rather, than put trust in man, the son of man, who can Not bring about saving the planet because their best efforts fail.
Whereas, the Bible provides the antidote that poisons society today with: a warning, a solution, and a promise.
* The warning to the wicked that the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
* The solution of Daniel 2:44 that only God's kingdom government can be the lasting solution - Matthew 24:14
* The promise that there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2; 1 Corinthians 15:26

You don't need a bible to be nice.
And none of this is relevant to the point: if humans don't sovle the problems, they will just remain unsolved. Nobody else is coming to do our homework.

Spouting bible quotes doesn't show otherwise. In fact, at this point it just looks like an excuse to run from your responsability.

Your entire argument results in "it's all meaningless anyway... why save the planet? god is just going to destroy the wicked and restore the good anyway, and we good christians will all live happily every after"

Kind of ironic that your proposed "solution" actually results in not caring and not doing anything because it's all pointless anyway since god has a plan and if the earth requires saving, he'll save it.

How irresponsible.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Climate change is a problem caused by the last 150 years of human activity, and we've known about it for some 50 years at least.
You don't need a bible to be nice.
And none of this is relevant to the point: if humans don't sovle the problems, they will just remain unsolved. Nobody else is coming to do our homework.
Spouting bible quotes doesn't show otherwise. In fact, at this point it just looks like an excuse to run from your responsability.
Your entire argument results in "it's all meaningless anyway... why save the planet? god is just going to destroy the wicked and restore the good anyway, and we good christians will all live happily every after"
Kind of ironic that your proposed "solution" actually results in not caring and not doing anything because it's all pointless anyway since god has a plan and if the earth requires saving, he'll save it.
How irresponsible.

Ouch ! I wonder what you mean in Not caring and Not doing anything ______________
Genuine ' wheat ' Christians make other 'wheat' Christians which means ' wheat ' Christians are responsible hard workers both in the secular world and in the spiritual realm about proclaiming to the international world about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 just as Jesus instructed to do.
People who 'become' genuine Christians are Not a burden to society because they are clean-living people.
So, the ' human activity ' in the last 150 years was Not created by genuine Christians, rather genuine Christians have warned people what selfish people would accomplish such as described at 2 Timothy 3:13 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

Unless damaged, we come equipped with a conscience, so true you do Not need a Bible to be nice.
Even people in all the nations are nice, but genuine Christians go beyond nice.
This is what you will find out at the soon coming ' time of separation ' that will take place on Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Far better to live in the real world where there is much that is good as well as bad.
The above comes across to me that the world is more like 1/2 good and 1/2 bad.
Whereas the Bible indicates that the world is now past 1/2 bad.

I am sure the ' much good ' does Not include the bazaar weather phenomenon that we see today.
Even gospel writer Luke wrote the type of earthquakes happening would be ' great ' earthquakes as we see today - as per Luke 21:11
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
The above comes across to me that the world is more like 1/2 good and 1/2 bad.
Whereas the Bible indicates that the world is now past 1/2 bad.

I am sure the ' much good ' does Not include the bazaar weather phenomenon that we see today.
Even gospel writer Luke wrote the type of earthquakes happening would be ' great ' earthquakes as we see today - as per Luke 21:11

Using the Bible to predict the illusory 'end times' is not very sensible.
 

Jos

Well-Known Member
Did you realize that according to the scriptures, before sin entered the world animals were not slaughtered? From my perspective, it is a sad reality that it is the fault of human sin that animals suffer.
That's not totally true since God Himself allowed and even commanded humans to slaughter and eat animals as food in both Testaments, so He is OK with animal suffering.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Ouch ! I wonder what you mean in Not caring and Not doing anything ______________

It's the only reasonable conclusion I could draw from your bible points. It's quite literally what you said. To not "trust man" to solve the problems. But to look for the bible and the "promises" in the bible that god will come and save us all.

It's ridiculously irresponsible.

Genuine ' wheat ' Christians make other 'wheat' Christians which means ' wheat ' Christians are responsible hard workers both in the secular world and in the spiritual realm about proclaiming to the international world about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 just as Jesus instructed to do.
People who 'become' genuine Christians are Not a burden to society because they are clean-living people.
So, the ' human activity ' in the last 150 years was Not created by genuine Christians, rather genuine Christians have warned people what selfish people would accomplish such as described at 2 Timothy 3:13 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

Dude.....

I don't give a rat's behind about your preaching or your bible. All of this is just gigantic timewasting. Reading the bible is not going to stop climate change. Believing that some 2000 year old super-jew is going to "return" and "save us all" or what-have you.... It's nonsense and just pathetic irresponsible excuses to not take action.

Humans are going to have to solve this. If humans don't solve it, humans will die.
It's that simple. No aliens or jewish super entities are coming to do our homework.

Either we do it, or nobody will.

Unless damaged, we come equipped with a conscience, so true you do Not need a Bible to be nice.
Even people in all the nations are nice, but genuine Christians go beyond nice.

I'm not interested in your moral superiority complex either.
In fact, if the above really reflects your thinking on this manner, then I can confidently say that your morality is as bankrupt as can be, if we consider doing something about climate change a moral duty (and I do consider it that).

This is what you will find out at the soon coming ' time of separation ' that will take place on Earth.

Whatever, apocalypse preacher.

Meanwhile, climate is changing, earth is heating up, weather is getting more extreme everywhere, ice is melting at record rates and guys like you are distracting from the actual issue by in the most irresponsible manner imaginatble, abusing a human made mess to preach and spread your bronze age religion.

Sorry, but I get very frustrated by guys like you.

Guys like you is why nothing happens.
Either people simply deny it in ostrich ways that humans are messing up the climate, or they, like you, think that some god is going to come and solve it.

It's as irresponsible as can be...



Bah!
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Either we do it, or nobody will.
Sorry, but I get very frustrated by guys like you.
Guys like you is why nothing happens.
Either people simply deny it in ostrich ways that humans are messing up the climate, or they, like you, think that some god is going to come and solve it......................
I can agree that 'either we do it, or no body will ' part.
By teaching others to respect the Earth is our job.
Humble meek people do Not bring ruin to Earth and teach others the same standard.
However, most people choose Not to obey the Golden Rule.
That is Not the fault of Jesus' teachings but the fault of people disobeying Jesus' teachings.
Because of Guys like us is why people clean up their lives to live by what Jesus taught at John 13:34-35.
So, something does happen, and why people will choose ( or Not choose ) to care for the Earth.

For a simple example:
I recently witnessed this:
We were parked at a convenience store and a person put plastic in the trash can next to the recycle can.
A Christian woman got out of her car and took the plastic bottle out of the trash and put in the recycle bin.
She was laughed at by the person who used the trash can, but we know God was similing for what she did.
Remember: God will only bring to ruin those ruining ( polluting ) the Earth - Rev. 11:18 B.
We can't force anyone to recycle but we can inform them why one should care for the Earth as instructed to do so in Genesis.
 
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