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Still don’t think white privilege exist?

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I actually agree with you here. Most people drive drunk and a lot of people get away with not being caught. In my case we were all drunk, I just happened to be less drunk than the other four. Towing fees, breathalyzer device in car, CalTrans, fines, not worth it. But even more it's not worth being drunk and potentially killing someone.

You roll the dice enough times you will get snake eyes, there were many times I probably shouldn't have been on the road and wasn't caught. It was good it happened before something really bad did, I would never want to know what it's like to know I killed some ones family member through my own stupid, careless decisions.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Her driver’s license should have been suspended and she should have been ordered to buy a breathalyzer for her car like I did and everyone else. Even with a good lawyer which would drop the fines and even the classes but her driver’s license should have been suspended. But this happened in South Carolina so I’m not surprised.

As we say in the black community she has the complexion for protection.
The justice system is easily corrupted and is not a fair system, it favors those with money that can hire the best lawyers available, giving them an advanced over those which can't.
There is nothing in the world that is designed to favor the poor and as long as those with money can influence how things are done, it is unlikely to change any time soon. Adding racism and other things on top of that, just makes it even worse for them.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Aside from the Felicity Huffman’s situation where her class as well as her race benefitted her only allowing her to only serve 14 days behind bars (as opposed to the black woman who served 5 years for almost the exact same crime), check this out


I don’t normally like to talk about private things in my life but I have a DUI. Got it my second year in graduate school leaving a fraternity party. California Highway Patrol pulled me over I man’d up to my wrong skipped the test and was taken to the tank.

What’s pertinent in me mentioning this is because while being interviewed at the station I was asked my level of education. I told them that I attend the University of Southern California and a second year graduate student. They didn’t believe so I showed them my student ID.

One cop smirked “well I went to college to!”

Point is I’ve seen other students of color never do not one crime in their life get a DUI which is a misdemeanor offense but sentence to six months AA class. Ordered to complete 100 hours of CalTrans, ordered to attend a six month MADD class.

This was first time offense. No priors no nothing. This video boils my blood. This isn’t her having “pretty privilege” maybe it works for cops but judges sentencing should have not considered her privileges in this case. This is unfair especially considering drunk driving at least in California DUI is looked at seriously.

Her driver’s license should have been suspended and she should have been ordered to buy a breathalyzer for her car like I did and everyone else. Even with a good lawyer which would drop the fines and even the classes but her driver’s license should have been suspended. But this happened in South Carolina so I’m not surprised.

As we say in the black community she has the complexion for protection.
in my little town.....people get shot

though I wear a hood...….I don't walk in the hood
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The justice system is easily corrupted and is not a fair system, it favors those with money that can hire the best lawyers available, giving them an advanced over those which can't.
It's not always so. If one is poor, courts can waive filing fees,
& even provide assistance in filing suits. Seen it happen.
And judicial prejudice....it can flow both ways.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
It's not always so. If one is poor, courts can waive filing fees,
& even provide assistance in filing suits. Seen it happen.
And judicial prejudice....it can flow both ways.
Do you think that a rich white person have an equal chance of getting the same sentence as a poor black person have, if they commit the same type of crime?

A justice system should not be influence by the wealth or ethnicity of a person and even though all have the same rights on paper. I also think that most people are aware that there is a huge difference in the outcome of cases, depending on the lawyers, otherwise it would make no sense to hire the "expensive" ones.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you think that a rich white person have an equal chance of getting the same sentence as a poor black person have, if they commit the same type of crime?
Generally no.
But I point out that more privileges exist than those for white, male & rich folk.
A justice system should not be influence by the wealth or ethnicity of a person and even though all have the same rights on paper. I also think that most people are aware that there is a huge difference in the outcome of cases, depending on the lawyers, otherwise it would make no sense to hire the "expensive" ones.
The real world is far less than ideal in many ways..
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
maybe.....if judges were led into the court room

wearing the hood used for hanging

and seated behind the bench unable to seen anyone

might be scary to see as a defendant...….but....
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Generally no.
But I point out that more privileges exist than those for white, male & rich folk.

The real world is far less than ideal in many ways..
I don't disagree with you that there are "compensations" for the poor. But to me that just illustrate the general issue. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty and therefore ought to have access to equal quality of help. Is it possible for a poor person unable to pay for a lawyer to choose freely who they want to defend them or are they simply offered someone at random, which the system think is qualified to defend them?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't disagree with you that there are "compensations" for the poor.
I wouldn't use the quoted word.
It suggests intent.
I see it as more haphazard than that,
although that would be an element at times.
But to me that just illustrate the general issue. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty and therefore ought to have access to equal quality of help. Is it possible for a poor person unable to pay for a lawyer to choose freely who they want to defend them or are they simply offered someone at random, which the system think is qualified to defend them?
I don't deny such an unfairness.
It is one of many.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Is it possible for a poor person unable to pay for a lawyer to choose freely who they want to defend them or are they simply offered someone at random, which the system think is qualified to defend them?
and THAT should not be the standard of defense

the system will not force a high price lawyer to defend you
you get someone learning how the system works

good luck
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Aside from the Felicity Huffman’s situation where her class as well as her race benefitted her only allowing her to only serve 14 days behind bars (as opposed to the black woman who served 5 years for almost the exact same crime), check this out


I don’t normally like to talk about private things in my life but I have a DUI. Got it my second year in graduate school leaving a fraternity party. California Highway Patrol pulled me over I man’d up to my wrong skipped the test and was taken to the tank.

What’s pertinent in me mentioning this is because while being interviewed at the station I was asked my level of education. I told them that I attend the University of Southern California and a second year graduate student. They didn’t believe so I showed them my student ID.

One cop smirked “well I went to college to!”

Point is I’ve seen other students of color never do not one crime in their life get a DUI which is a misdemeanor offense but sentence to six months AA class. Ordered to complete 100 hours of CalTrans, ordered to attend a six month MADD class.

This was first time offense. No priors no nothing. This video boils my blood. This isn’t her having “pretty privilege” maybe it works for cops but judges sentencing should have not considered her privileges in this case. This is unfair especially considering drunk driving at least in California DUI is looked at seriously.

Her driver’s license should have been suspended and she should have been ordered to buy a breathalyzer for her car like I did and everyone else. Even with a good lawyer which would drop the fines and even the classes but her driver’s license should have been suspended. But this happened in South Carolina so I’m not surprised.

As we say in the black community she has the complexion for protection.

I like riding in my car with the auto pilot engaged in order not to endanger the public safety when I'm too intoxicated to be the driver of my Tesla. I hope self driving cars soon become widely affordable and rode in order to spare thousands of lives from perishing annually in drunk driving wrecks.

 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I know about the discrepancy between men and women and in the case of Huffman I believe her wealth as well as her ethnicity played a part. I'm sure more often in that case her wealth played more of an integral part considering her legal team and all.

So do you think if say, Oprah Winfrey had had the same charges she would have gotten a longer sentence because she is black? No, I seriously doubt it.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
@Father Heathen @Rival @David1967

Oh did I forget to mention that this woman also used her race as a reason to not go to jail?

Here is the in depth article and video per this link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-too-pretty-for-jail-police-werent-impressed/

Edit: Not in the video but article the police officer wrote:

"Later, at the precinct, police officer Baker Odom wrote in his report, Cutshaw went further. She said she was also a “thoroughbred” and “white, clean girl,” Odom wrote."

Regardless of what she may have said, the "white" part would not have influenced the sentence. Wealth and connections however may have.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Do you think that a rich white person have an equal chance of getting the same sentence as a poor black person have, if they commit the same type of crime?

Of course not, but a poor white person and poor black person according to research do not get the same sentence either. Similarly, police work and how police engage in minority communities versus suburban (or non-minority) communities is different as well. Again this goes back to the implicit racial biases that exist within the judicial system. Take the woman in the video Lauren Cutshaw for example. At the station Cutshaw said:

"Later, at the precinct, police officer Baker Odom wrote in his report, Cutshaw went further. She said she was also a “thoroughbred” and “white, clean girl,” Odom wrote.

The article further continued by saying:

When he asked what that meant, Cutshaw replied, “You’re a cop, you should know what that means based on the people that come in this room,” according to the report.

So this isn't just some drunk white woman blurting things out, this is someone who understands her privilege as a white person who has certain perks. What this woman said at the precinct isn't about being rich, it's about someone who knew beforehand who in her circle knew she had privilege.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
So do you think if say, Oprah Winfrey had had the same charges she would have gotten a longer sentence because she is black? No, I seriously doubt it.

Who knows, but even as a rich woman Oprah still experienced glimpses of racism and racial prejudice, but again back to the woman in the story...
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Bull ****.

I also had a DUI in Arizona, while on vacation from California, leaving a family barbeque at my sisters house. I was under the legal limit, but because I had a CDL license, I was charged and had to go to jail, as well as have a breathalyzer installed in my car and lost my license for one full year.
Sounds like you weren't under the legal limit, then.

I did some quick Googling: seems that the minimum license suspension for a first-time DUI in Arizona is 90 days. Why did they suspend your license for a full year? Was this not your first offense?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I actually agree with you here. Most people drive drunk and a lot of people get away with not being caught.
That's not true at all.

Alcohol-impaired drivers are much more likely to kill someone than a non-impaired driver, so they make up a ridiculous percentage of the drivers in fatal collisions (~25% here, apparently around 33% in the US), but when you look at the driver condition for property damage only crashes - which is a better indication of what drivers on the road are doing on average - the number of drivers with alcohol-related driver conditions is very small (~1% here, can't quickly find stats for the US).

The drunk driving issue is really a matter of a small number of people punching seriously above their weight in terms of how many people they kill with their behaviour.
 
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