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Why Bahai

firedragon

Veteran Member
Yes and thanks for your response.... The book is well documented and has a fine glossary. I think you'll find it worth your while to obtain a copy or check your library and review it!

Buddha Maitrya-Amitabha has appeared (Book, 1976) [WorldCat.org]

Fozdar also has a paper he submitted "The revivification of the Buddha's Dharma" that is online and can be downloaded:

The Revivification of the Buddha's Dharma


You can also read a brief essay at
Buddhism and the Bahá'í Faith

Alright. If you are saying this it might be a worthy read. Err. Please mind my ignorance. Can you please repeat the name of the book again?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
This law is yet to be implemented, it is not yet known what the details of law may be.

Whatever they are, I would implement them immediately.

Thus you will not find the required details on this law.

Regards Tony

".........................it is not seemly to let the hair pass beyond the limit of the ears. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Lord of all worlds." (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i Aqdas)

A clear and detailed law.

And it seems that :-
"Shoghi Effendi has made clear that, unlike the prohibition on shaving the head, this law forbidding the growing of the hair beyond the lobe of the ear pertains only to men." (The Kitab-i Aqdas, notes)

The separation of the genders moves on........ with Bahai.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
No worries, thank you.

It has been the Muslim way to have great debates about religion. Many of the early followers were of course Muslim before Baha'i and they could not be beaten in these debates. Most of them were killed.

Thus in the end, what was the point of the debate? One's heart is looking or it is not. A blacksmith can teach the greatest scholar with the simplest explanation if Truth is imparted.

Otherwise it is words that ends in words.

Regards Tony

The above was sent to another......
Ah ha! But....... No......

You know that's waffle........ for sure. :)
Bahauallah made it perfectly clear that the 'Heart' is blind to the most clear and precise direction. Chill in hellfire, dry in the sea? He quotes Jallabad (spelling?) in that it is foolish?

The blacksmith's heart can be sweet or sour, but his knowledge, forge and hammer produce his Truth.

How about:-
When Bahai fails in reason it retreats to its heart.
When shown unpalatable truth it becomes blind as the hysteric.
Who can lead a Bahai out of the maze? :)

.... just sayin'. You have a good night's rest, I'll go and fix my porch roof. :D
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
The above was sent to another......
Ah ha! But....... No......

You know that's waffle........ for sure. :)
Bahauallah made it perfectly clear that the 'Heart' is blind to the most clear and precise direction. Chill in hellfire, dry in the sea? He quotes Jallabad (spelling?) in that it is foolish?

The blacksmith's heart can be sweet or sour, but his knowledge, forge and hammer produce his Truth.

How about:-
When Bahai fails in reason it retreats to its heart.
When shown unpalatable truth it becomes blind as the hysteric.
Who can lead a Bahai out of the maze? :)

.... just sayin'. You have a good night's rest, I'll go and fix my porch roof. :D

I think Tony was referring to this story about a famous story about another bearded Baha'i (possibly with long hair) Mirza Abu'l-Fadl a renowned Baha'i scholar. :)

Mírzá Abu’l-Fadl: a true seeker
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
".........................it is not seemly to let the hair pass beyond the limit of the ears. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Lord of all worlds." (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i Aqdas)

A clear and detailed law.

And it seems that :-
"Shoghi Effendi has made clear that, unlike the prohibition on shaving the head, this law forbidding the growing of the hair beyond the lobe of the ear pertains only to men." (The Kitab-i Aqdas, notes)

The separation of the genders moves on........ with Bahai.

Ah...... !
Yes....... but Abdul Baha did rather send a 'wrong signal' about hair length. :D
I imagine that some Bahais would have wished to make a fashion out of long hair for just that reason.

Again, this law is still not implemented, it may be some time in the future, it is up to the Universal House of Justice.

The details of this law are not known.

A 1974 list of laws not yet binding.

Laws from the Kitab-i-Aqdas Not Yet Binding

A 1999 letter of implemented Laws

Laws of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Further Application of

Thus the law is not binding and the details are no known.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think Tony was referring to this story about a famous story about another bearded Baha'i (possibly with long hair) Mirza Abu'l-Fadl a renowned Baha'i scholar. :)

Mírzá Abu’l-Fadl: a true seeker

Tony was writing to Firedragon.
The subject was not about hair.

Adrian was correct. Read the story at the link Adrian gave and it was a blacksmith that taught one of the greatest scholars with a Logical observation.

You will also note Adrian's comment was applicable to both conversations.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The above was sent to another......
Ah ha! But....... No......

You know that's waffle........ for sure. :)
Bahauallah made it perfectly clear that the 'Heart' is blind to the most clear and precise direction. Chill in hellfire, dry in the sea? He quotes Jallabad (spelling?) in that it is foolish?

The blacksmith's heart can be sweet or sour, but his knowledge, forge and hammer produce his Truth.

How about:-
When Bahai fails in reason it retreats to its heart.
When shown unpalatable truth it becomes blind as the hysteric.
Who can lead a Bahai out of the maze? :)

.... just sayin'. You have a good night's rest, I'll go and fix my porch roof. :D

Well done, independant searching after truth. Your catching on fast, a good student. :)

Regards Tony
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Sounds like you're confusing the Baha'is for another religion called Islam.:)
A simple question: Is Allah's Word communicated to Bahais by Bahaullah, in whose name you swear, the manifesttion of your Allah, important for you or not? Or you would coolly go in flouting it? Also the rules about women and LGBTQ?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
A simple question:

No. You have asked three questions.

Is Allah's Word communicated to Bahais by Bahaullah, in whose name you swear, the manifesttion of your Allah, important for you or not?

Of course.

Or you would coolly go in flouting it?

No.

Also the rules about women and LGBTQ?

This is not a simple question. You need to rephrase the question and be more specific so I know clearly what you are asking and I will answer.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Then, you need to tell Bahais that their hair should not hang longer than the lobes of their ear. Even Shunyadragon's avatara may be needing a change.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Then, you need to tell Bahais that their hair should not hang longer than the lobes of their ear. Even Shunyadragon's avatara may be needing a change.

There is no requirement for men to have any restrictions on their hair. There is a law in the Kitab-I-Aqdas but its not applicable. The law was written in 1873. That’s 146 years ago. I’m not expecting the law to come into effect anytime soon. It may never.

If some Baha’is needing to have a haircut is all the critics of the Baha’i Faith have to offer, maybe attention should be focused on issues that really matter. The environment, deteriorating international relationships, prejudice of all kinds, social inequalities etc
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Are you referring to the text of the Kitab-i-Aqdas itself or the notes section? The notes section ends by referring to the maturity of mankind. The text does not.

Brother. I think you should not make statements like this. Anyway, moving past that, can you copy paste the verses 189 and 190 here? Then you will see.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The law was written in 1873. That’s 146 years ago. I’m not expecting the law to come into effect anytime soon. It may never.
Choosing laws at your whim. That is what Islam calls being 'munafiq' (Why bristle at the name of a religion which was started by one whom you accept as Nabi-ul-Khatm? Other religion! Is Islam an 'other religion' for you?). All the laws given by Bahaullah are 146 years old. What remains and what is discarded? And who does that now since all the three, Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi are dead.
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
Choosing laws at your whim. That is what Islam calls being 'munafiq' (Why bristle at the name of a religion which was started by one whom you accept as Nabi-ul-Khatm? Other religion! Is Islam an 'other religion' for you?). All the laws given by Bahaullah are 146 years old. What remains and what is discarded? And who does that now since all the three, Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi are dead.

Brother. Munafiq is not Islamic. Its just an arabic word. It means "two faced". All theologies or any kind of anything speaking in arabic uses this word. Even Bahaullah used it in his book. Even the arabic Bible uses this word.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Again, this law is still not implemented, it may be some time in the future, it is up to the Universal House of Justice.

The details of this law are not known.

A 1974 list of laws not yet binding.

Laws from the Kitab-i-Aqdas Not Yet Binding

A 1999 letter of implemented Laws

Laws of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Further Application of

Thus the law is not binding and the details are no known.

Regards Tony
Tony.....
That law would be enacted as soon as it could be enforced, in a Baha'i World!

It's not a problem today, and with any luck it never will be...... I would prefer that my umpty-great grandkids will be free of such oppressions .
 
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