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Colossians 1:16 Jesus the Almighty, [John 1:3, Jesus is God incarnated

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
No, that is incorrect.

God, without specification, is a name, 》》 gothic 》 english name correlate, to more than one name, of God, in the Bible.
[The Biblical God

As a "word", it specifies something
False gods,
Foreign gods
The god Thor
The god Zeus,
So forth.

'God', is both a name, and a title, actually it's also a word, obviously.


Your theory would make the Bible, totally vague.

Absolutely ridiculous , so we can't discuss further.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Those gospels read in a basically non religious manner, have yeshua seemingly saying, 'g-d why have you forsaken me'.
Two of them. Keep it accurate.
Now...... do you believe that Jesus called out those words? Yes? No?
Do you accept those gospels?

Hmm, now, since you are a deist, you are saying that your interpretation has that yeshua, speaking for deity? Yikes, I mean, he literally says he's forsaken by g-d.
Explain that.
You've got your ideas mangled. I read the gospels as a student of historic Jesus. My being a Deist cannot steer my studies. Now..... do you agree with Mark and Matthew's account, or not?

Presuming that the yeshua [on the cross, is your authority, then we might guess that perhaps, that yeshua, means a 'different g-d'. Wonderful, then that would be a person practicing a different religion, and is forsaken by 'his g-d', again your problem. Or, it is the only yeshua represented in the new testament, and he is forsaken by 'my god'.
You really should not presume. Not good.
You do realise that a man, called Jesus Son-of-the-Father, was arrested after he led a demonstration in Temple and/or City which led to a riot, and that the people loved him so much that they campaigned for his release, which caused Pilate to pardon and release him? Did you know that? The early bibles showed his name clearly as Jesus but his first name was edited out of your bible and his last name left in Eastern Aramaic so that it could remain hidden in plain sight. Jesus Barabba(s)...... and so I still don't know which Jesus was sentenced, Jesus SonoftheFather or Jesus SonofMan. You should read all about it. It's there, but shaded somewhat in your copy.

Either way, as a deist, that is your problem, and someone forsaken by [my god, isn't an authority concerning my religion.
I honestly don't mind what you believe as long as it doesn't affect other people or their lives, which unfortunately it has..... for too long.
I say again, Apostle John was no witness, he was not Johanan BarZebedee, not the disciple.
I say again, Paul never bothered to learn about Jesus, his life or his real mission. Your beliefs are Pauline........ not much more, I'm afraid.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Two of them. Keep it accurate.
Now...... do you believe that Jesus called out those words? Yes? No?
Do you accept those gospels?


You've got your ideas mangled. I read the gospels as a student of historic Jesus. My being a Deist cannot steer my studies. Now..... do you agree with Mark and Matthew's account, or not?


You really should not presume. Not good.
You do realise that a man, called Jesus Son-of-the-Father, was arrested after he led a demonstration in Temple and/or City which led to a riot, and that the people loved him so much that they campaigned for his release, which caused Pilate to pardon and release him? Did you know that? The early bibles showed his name clearly as Jesus but his first name was edited out of your bible and his last name left in Eastern Aramaic so that it could remain hidden in plain sight. Jesus Barabba(s)...... and so I still don't know which Jesus was sentenced, Jesus SonoftheFather or Jesus SonofMan. You should read all about it. It's there, but shaded somewhat in your copy.
As a Theist, in other words, I have a God belief, then I know what a 'real Jesus', would, or would not say, in any context, concerning God, according to my beliefs.

So, as an adherent to Jesu, [Spirit Form Jesus, contextually, here, of course I don't believe that a real Jesus would say 'g-d why have you forsaken me'. Nor do I believe that a real Jesus, would be the 'riddler rabbi', we encounter, in Scripture, sometimes.

The real Jesus saying, 'speak plainly'.

That being said, since you are a deist, it actually is 'your problem', if your head rabbi, says 'g-d why have you forsaken me'. Because the Bible, is theistic. In other words, without the theism, you are relying on a rabbi to speak from authority, thusly any inference to non authority, clearly is something you need to rationalize. You can read the Bible in a non theistic way, yet you cannot read the Bible, as if it isn't Theistic.

Concerning those verses, and the riddler rabbi, it seems likely it us just a mix up of yeshuas, and thusly, as it is obvious to me, (I have presented discussions that demonstrate this, then, it obviously isn't either the 'real Jesus', or, it means something else.[Because of my Theism.

 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
No, it's religious, and linguistic. You aren't going to be able to read the Hebrew Scriptures, to make any sense, without understanding this.

Hope you're not Jewish.

So if a muslim or some other religion mentions God, are they naming your God? (No offense meant to any other religions)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
As a Theist, in other words, I have a God belief, then I know what a 'real Jesus', would, or would not say, in any context, concerning God, according to my beliefs.
So, as an adherent to Jesu, [Spirit Form Jesus, contextually, here, of course I don't believe that a real Jesus would say 'g-d why have you forsaken me'. Nor do I believe that a real Jesus, would be the 'riddler rabbi', we encounter, in Scripture, sometimes.
OK..... so you do not accept that the bible is all the word of God.
I can agree with that because Christians meddled with the gospels somewhat.

The real Jesus saying, 'speak plainly'.
God.... why have you forsaken me? seems to be quite plain, really.

That being said, since you are a deist, it actually is 'your problem', if your head rabbi, says 'g-d why have you forsaken me'. Because the Bible, is theistic. In other words, without the theism, you are relying on a rabbi to speak from authority, thusly any inference to non authority, clearly is something you need to rationalize. You can read the Bible in a non theistic way, yet you cannot read the Bible, as if it isn't Theistic.
Wrong. The old laws are clear as day to me, and G-Mark (less the Christian additions) is a clear report.
By the way............ I don't have a head rabbi, and since I speak English I would use the word 'teacher' or 'leader', I think.

Concerning those verses, and the riddler rabbi, it seems likely it us just a mix up of yeshuas, and thusly, as it is obvious to me, (I have presented discussions that demonstrate this, then, it obviously isn't either the 'real Jesus', or, it means something else.[Because of my Theism. •
Ah ha! A mix up of Yeshuas.......... or a mix of reports about just one.
I am not even sure whether Yeshua BarYosef was crucified, and if he was I'm not sure that he died; G-Mark suggests that he may have been taken down and survived, as later sightings of him could confirm.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Yes, as I explained, G-d' without specification, is a correlate, to the 'Biblical G-d'. If you know what the "Bible", is, then that will make sense.
The [Judaism Tanack, which is the Old Testament, in the Christian Bible, thusly correlating, which is why Jews, Christians, or anyone referring to the 'Biblical G-d', regardless of belief, would mean, the Biblical G-d, when they say 'G-d', without specification.

Specification means using it as a word, 'the god Thor, the god Zeus, false gods, so forth.

• I have no idea why you believe a word without specification, makes sense. You wouldn't know who is meant, in other words.


You're only offending those who adhere to the Biblical G-d [religiously, jews, most christians, any theists, even if syncretics, who adhere to the Biblical G-d.

This however, is 'literal', literal word meanings. In other words, it is outside religion.
G-d without specification, only refers to a certain amount of name correlates, directly.
In other words, you could actually make a list of who 'G-d', is referring to, other names.

• syncretization, can happen, although it's subjective, and isn't necessarily all the names of G-d, when used in a syncretic fashion, or, one specific name.
This type of syncretization is therefore religiously contextual. Again, this is literal specific, not 'a title', [when used without specification.


Judaism, only using some of the texts, in the 'christian bible', doesn't concern itself, with who christians or other theists, are calling 'g-d', [from the new testament, because they don't use the new testament.
The name and word is 'language specific', and is used in the same manner, outside religion.[like academic description, theistic non religious discussion, so forth.


It is written thou shalt not tempt YHWH thy God. If God was his name in this verse then he wouldn't have said YHWH.

You are too confusing with the things you say for me to even continue this discussion.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
No, it isn't confusing. It's literal.

What is confusing, is you saying that someone saying 'g-d', without specification, makes any sense, if it has no inherent name meaning. That's a 'meaningless', inference. You don't do that normally, like when you order a pizza.

'Pineapple can mean anything, i want, pineapple, pineapple, and i'll take a side of pineapple'.
'And don't mess my order up!'

You aren't following 'basic language principles', inherent meaning.

I have got to be honest. I have read some of your other posts and can't tell for sure what you believe, because to me they are confusing.

Do you believe the Messiah was YHWH dwelling in a fleshly body?
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
'There is only one Lord', would signify this concept, as noted in both Old Testament, and New Testament.

So are you Jewish? I believe the one God whose name is YHWH didn't have blood to shed for man's sin. So he took on flesh to dwell in and sacrifice for man's sin. I do NOT believe in a Trinity.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe there is a plethora of evidence that Jesus is God.
A "plethora" of evidence? Wow. Like what? You still havent proven anything. You just want Jesus to be God.

I believe God is the creator of all things so this is simply more proof that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Yes, God is the creator of all things. But, Jesus wasnt born yet.... What you just stated doesnt even make sense...... God created everything, so how does Jesus come into play if he wasnt even born yet. Look at what you just wrote..

But also look at 1 Peter and Heb 1 where it says that, "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," and "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

Jesus was in the mind and plans of God. If Jesus did pre-exist, these verses would be written differently. It would say something like, God always spoke through Jesus since the beginning of time, but it doesnt.

I believe this is the null hypothesis which doesn't work in this case because it is always better to focus on the Father rather than on Jesus so that people won't worship the flesh.
Jesus was flesh and blood. He was like us in nature. Let's not bring in our own words like "God the son" and I think we'll start understanding the bible better......

I believe I have seen many so called ambiguities presented by those opposed to Jesus being God but they are all invalid.
That's because you want to be right. And your actually making ourself believe that Jesus is God because that's what your being taught. Your taking the Son of God and making him God the Son... Get the point?

Like this:
John 14:9 ... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father
John 14:10 ... the words that I say unto you , I speak not from myself but from the Father abiding in Me doeth His works
John 14:11 ... I am in the Father and the Father in Me
John 10:30 I and My Father are one
John 10:33 ... thou being a man makest Thyself God
John 8:58 Jesus said ... before Abraham was born, Jah (Jah is the short form of Jehovah)
John 8:59 They took up stones therefore to cast at Him
Mark 2:5 and Jesus seeing their faith saith ... thy sins are forgiven
Mark 2:7 ... who can forgive sins but one, even God
Mark 10:17 ... good teacher Mark 10:18 Why callest Me good? None is good save one, even God John 10:11 I am the good shepherd
Mat. 1:21 ... call his name Jesus; for it is He that shall save his people from their sins
Prophecies of the Messiah Jesus
Isa. 45:21 ... I, Jehovah? and there is no God else besides Me a just God and savior, there is none besides Me
Isa. 7:14 ... a sign: behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel (God with us)
Isa 9:6 a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called: Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Attributes of God
Omnipresence
John 1:46 Nathaniel saith unto Him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
John 1:49 Nathaniel answered him, Rabbi thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel.
John 1:50 Jesus answered ... thou shalt see greater things than these
Omniscience
Luke 6:8 ...the Pharisees watched Him ... that they might find how to accuse him but He knew their thoughts
John 4:17 ... Thou sayest well, I have no husband
John 4:18 for thou hast had five husbands and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband
Omnipotence
Mark 4:41 ... Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?

(He turned water into wine, multiplied bread, healed the sick and the blind, raised a man who was dead for four days)
Authority
Luke 4:36 ... for with authority and power He commandeth the unclean spirits and they come out
Mat 7:29 for He taught them as one having authority
Mat 28:18 ... Jesus ...spake... saying, all authority hath been given unto Me in heaven and on earth
The "I am" statements of Jesus
John 8:12 ... I am the light of the world
John 14:6 ... I am the way, the truth and the life
John 6:35 ... I am the bread of life
John 10:9 I am the door, by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved
John 11:25 ... I am the resurrection and the life
John 15:1 I am the true vine (this is a reference to Jesus being the Paraclete)
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
Like this:
John 14:9 ... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father
John 14:10 ... the words that I say unto you , I speak not from myself but from the Father abiding in Me doeth His works
John 14:11 ... I am in the Father and the Father in Me
John 10:30 I and My Father are one
John 10:33 ... thou being a man makest Thyself God
John 8:58 Jesus said ... before Abraham was born, Jah (Jah is the short form of Jehovah)
John 8:59 They took up stones therefore to cast at Him
Mark 2:5 and Jesus seeing their faith saith ... thy sins are forgiven
Mark 2:7 ... who can forgive sins but one, even God
Mark 10:17 ... good teacher Mark 10:18 Why callest Me good? None is good save one, even God John 10:11 I am the good shepherd
Mat. 1:21 ... call his name Jesus; for it is He that shall save his people from their sins
Prophecies of the Messiah Jesus
Isa. 45:21 ... I, Jehovah? and there is no God else besides Me a just God and savior, there is none besides Me
Isa. 7:14 ... a sign: behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel (God with us)
Isa 9:6 a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called: Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Attributes of God
Omnipresence
John 1:46 Nathaniel saith unto Him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
John 1:49 Nathaniel answered him, Rabbi thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel.
John 1:50 Jesus answered ... thou shalt see greater things than these
Omniscience
Luke 6:8 ...the Pharisees watched Him ... that they might find how to accuse him but He knew their thoughts
John 4:17 ... Thou sayest well, I have no husband
John 4:18 for thou hast had five husbands and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband
Omnipotence
Mark 4:41 ... Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?

(He turned water into wine, multiplied bread, healed the sick and the blind, raised a man who was dead for four days)
Authority
Luke 4:36 ... for with authority and power He commandeth the unclean spirits and they come out
Mat 7:29 for He taught them as one having authority
Mat 28:18 ... Jesus ...spake... saying, all authority hath been given unto Me in heaven and on earth
The "I am" statements of Jesus
John 8:12 ... I am the light of the world
John 14:6 ... I am the way, the truth and the life
John 6:35 ... I am the bread of life
John 10:9 I am the door, by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved
John 11:25 ... I am the resurrection and the life
John 15:1 I am the true vine (this is a reference to Jesus being the Paraclete)


Like I said before, your making Jesus into God. Did you really take a good look at your verses? Alot of them dont make sense if Jesus was God. I love Isaiah 45, thanks for posting it along with other verses. "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:" So why are you saying that is wrong? There are Gods beside our God. No... there isnt...... There is one God. Period. Just like the bible says. And the Lord Jesus Christ.

Your still not understanding God manifestation. God "working" through his son. God "giving" all power and authority to His son. But anyhow......
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Like I said before, your making Jesus into God. Did you really take a good look at your verses? Alot of them dont make sense if Jesus was God. I love Isaiah 45, thanks for posting it along with other verses. "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:" So why are you saying that is wrong? There are Gods beside our God. No... there isnt...... There is one God. Period. Just like the bible says. And the Lord Jesus Christ.

Your still not understanding God manifestation. God "working" through his son. God "giving" all power and authority to His son. But anyhow......

I am not saying that is wrong. I am saying Jeus is God incarnate and the verses do also.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
quote of Moorea944 I believe God is the creator of all things so this is simply more proof that Jesus is God in the flesh.
'Yes, God is the creator of all things. But, Jesus wasnt born yet.... What you just stated doesnt even make sense...... God created everything, so how does Jesus come into play if he wasnt even born yet. Look at what you just wrote..

But also look at 1 Peter and Heb 1 where it says that, "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," and "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"'

I believe these are creations.
John 2:7,8 .....Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. 9 When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine....

John 9:1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 6 ......Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud 7 and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
I am not saying that is wrong. I am saying Jeus is God incarnate and the verses do also.

But my point is that why do you bring words into the bible that arent there? Like "incarnate". Do you know what that word actually means?

Incarnate, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, rapture, etc.... I dont get it.... With all of the words in scripture, why do people have to "make up" words to put into their doctrines. Is there a verse that has "incarnate" in it? If not, why use it.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
John 1:3

Colossians 1:16

These verses are clearly saying that Jesus, the Lord, is the God whom all things were created, so forth. It's quite obvious.
Hebrews 1:8.

So, in a direct reading, not [whatever non direct argument your church makes, if you as a christian don't believe this, then what is your argument?

If there is only one Lord of Christians, believers, then

2 Corinthians 6:18
Has to mean Jesus.
'Lord Almighty'

If you don't believe this, how do you reconcile the direct words.
We're talking about direct words, here, however if you have some other argument, that's fine.

Agape! Shalom...
First, Greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus to all. this is my first day here on the fourm. this is an interesting topic. but addressing the OP, having not read all the replies, I must agree with Desert Snake so far. consider this, using the John 1:3 verse, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." the him here in verse 3 is referring to the word in verse 1, which is christ Jesus. knowing that we want to consider this verse. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now several things come into mind.
#1.Who made all things?, the Person in Isaiah 44:24 is the same person in John 1:3, for there is only one maker/Creator. well that would eliminate any 3 person doctrine.
#2. the person in Isaiah 44:24 states he was alone and by himself when he created all things. (so this rule out going through anyone else, or by anyone else, for he was alone, and by himself.
#3. if he was alone, and God is everywhere then it's only one Person who created everything, again eliminating any several persons.

I'll stop here and let this digest in. and then we can discuss Genesis 1:26 and examine .Matthew 3:17 and get some clear understanding as to who and what God is.

PICJAG
 

Clear

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
@Smoggie and @Deeje.

I did not want to enter this debate but followed enough of the early stages of this thread to make a single, historical point.

In the early portion of this thread, @Smoggie and @Deeje were discussing the name Jehovah and whether it existed in the Septuagint.

Smoggie Said : “ Jehovah was never used in the NT. It was not used in the Septuigiant.
It was not used in the Koine “ (post #43)
This was in response to Deeje’s claim
Deeje Said : “…some very old fragments of the Greek Septuagint version that existed in Jesus’ day had been discovered. Those fragments contain the personal name of God, written in Hebrew characters."

Deeje attempted to offer a picture of a papyrus Fouad inv. 266 that mixes Greek with the early tetragrammaton to support the claim that the greek LXX originally had the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in it. The example does not support that conclusion.


I simply want to point out that Smoggie is actually correct in his specific claim that the Greek Septuagint did not have the Hebrew tetragrammaton in it. Nor do we have any text that demonstrates the Greek Septuagint originally had the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in it.

The example Deeje offered of Papyrus P Fouad (inv. 266) is NOT an example supporting a theory that early Septuagints had the tetragrammaton in them. P. fouad seems to have been a Greek Old Testament commissioned by a Jew who wanted to replace the normal Greek Kurios, with the Hebrew tetragrammaton. The picture is, itself, an example of this. The picture shows clearly that the Greek copier simply left space after the word “παρα” in Deut 18:16. The sentence reads “κατα παντα οσα ητησω παρα (here a space is left)” And in the space that is purposefully left by the copier, the Hebrew letters are placed into the greek text by an entirely different pen. One cannot tell if the Greek copier did not know Hebrew or if the texts owner had the Hebrew placed into the text by another copier or himself did this. However, it is clear, even from the picture that the Hebrew is not part of the original Greek copiers work.

Thus, P Fouad is an example where the Tetragrammaton was ADDED to a single, early, Septuagint and in no way shows the Hebrew tetragrammaton was taken out of the authentic version of the Greek Septuagint.

In any case, I hope your spiritual journeys are good and wonderful.


Clear
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Muffled

Jesus in me
But my point is that why do you bring words into the bible that arent there? Like "incarnate". Do you know what that word actually means?

Incarnate, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, rapture, etc.... I dont get it.... With all of the words in scripture, why do people have to "make up" words to put into their doctrines. Is there a verse that has "incarnate" in it? If not, why use it.

I believe you could say of the sky that it has red and orange and yellow and blue and purple colors or you can just call it a sunset. The word sunset explains the concept of different colors in the sky. It is the same with concepts in the Bible. Instead of having to read a whole paragraph about something, the concept can be represented by one word.

So one could go on about all the scriptures that pertain to God residing in the body of Jesus or just say incarnate instead.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
First, Greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus to all. this is my first day here on the fourm. this is an interesting topic. but addressing the OP, having not read all the replies, I must agree with Desert Snake so far. consider this, using the John 1:3 verse, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." the him here in verse 3 is referring to the word in verse 1, which is christ Jesus. knowing that we want to consider this verse. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now several things come into mind.
#1.Who made all things?, the Person in Isaiah 44:24 is the same person in John 1:3, for there is only one maker/Creator. well that would eliminate any 3 person doctrine.
#2. the person in Isaiah 44:24 states he was alone and by himself when he created all things. (so this rule out going through anyone else, or by anyone else, for he was alone, and by himself.
#3. if he was alone, and God is everywhere then it's only one Person who created everything, again eliminating any several persons.

I'll stop here and let this digest in. and then we can discuss Genesis 1:26 and examine .Matthew 3:17 and get some clear understanding as to who and what God is.

PICJAG

I believe it does not. It simply means the Spirit of God which exists in all three persons of the Trinity is one personality and therefore one person by that definition. However The spirit of God in a body is a different type of person than the Father who is just Spirit and different from the Paraclete which is God in the body of believers that have their own spirit.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
I believe you could say of the sky that it has red and orange and yellow and blue and purple colors or you can just call it a sunset. The word sunset explains the concept of different colors in the sky. It is the same with concepts in the Bible. Instead of having to read a whole paragraph about something, the concept can be represented by one word.

So one could go on about all the scriptures that pertain to God residing in the body of Jesus or just say incarnate instead.

Or we can say that it's just false doctrine..........
 
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