Brexit in a nutshell

[TagliatelliMonster]

You seem to be vastly overstating the role of the EU here. What magic do you think it is actually doing to keep prices down by 50%?

It's not so much as what currently keeps them down as what will make them go up instead...

Travel between Italy and the UK after Brexit will remain unchanged. You will just need your passport and a ticket.

Not unless there are clear agreements concerning movement of people.
Otherwise, there will be extra checks and customs. These things cost money and require funding.
How is that going to be paid for, do you think?

Then there are the means to get to Italy. Most likely by plane.
You assume that airtravel from EU to the UK and back will remain unchanged after a chaotic brexit?

Here in Antwerp, there's a small airport that is already fearing for its future as it was going all-in on flights to and from the UK.

International flights are no problem if there are treaties concerning movements of goods and people with a customs union etc. No so much if there isn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Democracy involves keeping Parliament open, talking to the people, taking advice, changing your mind.

@Notanumber seems to be off the opinion that one can only be democratic if one agrees with him on everything concerning politics and if one votes for the party he supports.

Only his opnion is "democratically viable" and all other opinions are "undemocratic".

 

[ratiocinator]

The EU is Project Fear personified. Everything about it fills me with dread.

But you can't or won't give a single way in which it has made your life worse or any way in which leaving will make it better. Are we talking about some sort of phobia here?

 

[Estro Felino]

It is impossible to reconcile the juridic system of 28 different states....also considering Britain has Common Law.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

UK,we want to leave this undemocratic two tier union.
EU,why?,look of all the benefits.
UK,well it's not what we voted for in 1975 and there have been many changes that we had no vote on so when the opportunity came we voted out the Democratic way.
EU,ok you can leave but we'll dictate how this happens,we'll set you the task of the northern island issue and just bombard you with bull**** until you give up.
UK,not going to happen matey,there's no way back.

It's not the EU's fault that the Good Friday treaty is on shaky grounds when a hard border is drawn at northern ireland.

That the brexiteers failed to think about that, is not the EU's fault either.

Leaving the EU, without any backstop systems, literally means a hard border in ireland. Because that would become the new outer border of the EU.

Don't be so arrogant as to think you can shove that into EU's reponsability, because it isn't.

That brexiteers were too dumb to realise that the UK leaving would mean that northern ireland would become a hard border with the EU, really is only the brexiteers" fault.

And that their supporters weren't informed or smart enough to realise either what it would mean to vote "leave" in that context, is again not the EU's fault either.

It's entirely the UK's problem. So I suggest the UK deals with it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The EU is Project Fear personified. Everything about it fills me with dread.

Not the EU's fault that Brexiteers were too dumb to realise that leaving would imply a hard border in Ireland.

But off course, Brexiteers DID know that. They just didn't care.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Italy actually would like the return to the EEC. So this is doable only by rewriting all treaties, or better, by rewriting a new treaty of Rome, nullifying the previous one.
Italy believes in a United Europe but this monstrous supranational entity wanted by Brussels elites is the reason why Britain is leaving.

No.

The reason Britain is leaving, is because brexiteers lied to the public and filled their heads with misinformation.

That people still debate this, is amazing.
All lies have been exposed plenty of times since that campaign.

I actually find it funny that they yap about "taking back control and sovereignty" from the EU and that the first thing they'll (try to) do, will be licking the boots of the US for a trade deal. Since they require that deal a heck of a lot more then the US does, they'll find themselves in a terrible negotiating position.

Then end result, if a deal will even happen off course, will be that the UK will effectively play a 51st state of the US in a lot of ways.

Get ready to have your NHS raped and dismantled, only to then see your country flooded by big US pharma and health insurance companies subject to almost no regulation.

 

[Estro Felino]

No.

The reason Britain is leaving, is because brexiteers lied to the public and filled their heads with misinformation.

That people still debate this, is amazing.
All lies have been exposed plenty of times since that campaign.

I actually find it funny that they yap about "taking back control and sovereignty" from the EU and that the first thing they'll (try to) do, will be licking the boots of the US for a trade deal. Since they require that deal a heck of a lot more then the US does, they'll find themselves in a terrible negotiating position.

Then end result, if a deal will even happen off course, will be that the UK will effectively play a 51st state of the US in a lot of ways.

Get ready to have your NHS raped and dismantled, only to then see your country flooded by big US pharma and health insurance companies subject to almost no regulation.

Germany wants to recreate a Holy Roman Empire, and in that Empire Italy is supposed to be colonized....like by the times of Frederick Barbarossa.
If the ECB was a public entity, owned by the Treasuries of each member state, this UE would be something honest, totally independent fron greedy banking dynasties.

 

[Notanumber]

@Notanumber seems to be off the opinion that one can only be democratic if one agrees with him on everything concerning politics and if one votes for the party he supports.

Only his opnion is "democratically viable" and all other opinions are "undemocratic".

I bow to the will of the 17.4 million and support a General Election unlike our Remoaner politicians.

 

[Notanumber]

Not the EU's fault that Brexiteers were too dumb to realise that leaving would imply a hard border in Ireland.

But off course, Brexiteers DID know that. They just didn't care.

Who is going to build this 'hard border' in Ireland?

 

[Altfish]

The EU is Project Fear personified. Everything about it fills me with dread.

And it was you who calledl Remainers snowflakes, unbelievable.
Next thing you know you'll be complaining about EU flags at the Proms ... oh, wait a minute...

 

[Notanumber]

And it was you who calledl Remainers snowflakes, unbelievable.
Next thing you know you'll be complaining about EU flags at the Proms ... oh, wait a minute...

The whole of the UK should be designated a ‘safe space’ from the clutches of the EU.

Oh, wait that is what Brexit was supposed to provide before the vote robbers sprung into action.

 

[Altfish]

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The whole of the UK should be designated a ‘safe space’ from the clutches of the EU.

Oh, wait that is what Brexit was supposed to provide before the vote robbers sprung into action.

The only people 'robbing votes' were the leave campaign orchestrated by Bannon, Cummings and Cambridge Analytica

 

[Notanumber]

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The only people 'robbing votes' were the leave campaign orchestrated by Bannon, Cummings and Cambridge Analytica

You are definitely one of them.

You have fallen for their Remoaner spin.

 

[Estro Felino]

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The only people 'robbing votes' were the leave campaign orchestrated by Bannon, Cummings and Cambridge Analytica

Bannon's allies always win the elections...
Salvini, Farage.
That man is a genius.
He is a winner

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Germany wants to recreate a Holy Roman Empire, and in that Empire Italy is supposed to be colonized....like by the times of Frederick Barbarossa.

It's when you say stuff like this, that I really can't take you seriously.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I bow to the will of the 17.4 million and support a General Election unlike our Remoaner politicians.

Yet you don't care when parliament is shut down on false pretenses or when politicians lie true their teeth during campaigning and have no ethical issues at all to employ militaristic and weaponsgrade psyOps tactics to manipulate the electorate.

In fact, not only don't you care, you actually actively seem to support such.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who is going to build this 'hard border' in Ireland?

The UK, by leaving the customs union, which inevitably means a hard border.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You are definitely one of them.

You have fallen for their Remoaner spin.

Honest and direct questions:

1. Do you consider the campaigning methods by Leave.eu and Cambridge Analytica to be ethically defendable?
2. Do you care at all that this entire campaign was illegal in a multitude of ways?
3. Do you consider it "right" that politicians use weaponsgrade militaristic psyOps to manipulate voting results?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Bannon's allies always win the elections...
Salvini, Farage.

And the reason is because they campaign in illegal ways and employ militaristic weaponsgrade psyOps to manipulate voters by bombarding them with tailored and targetted fake news, generated specifically to exploit the psychological profile of the target.

That man is a genius.

An evil genius who's actively pursueing the destabilization of western secular democracies.

He is a winner

He is a criminal who belongs in jail.