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"Bab"
Some followers of Bab in the forum have strongly objected to it. They describe that Bab was within the Shia-Twelver Islam, while Bahaism is a new religion.
"They are often accused of misrepresenting other creeds. I for one agree that they do indeed misrepresent the non-Abrahamics to a grave degree."
Yes, Hinduism friends in the Forum has taken exception to it.
"As you may easily imagine, most Muslims consider the Bahai Faith to misrepresent Islaam as well, mainly by presenting a new revelation and a new prophet in defiance of the Qur'an."
Yes, it is true.
"Still, these days the Bahais are among the most motivated non-Muslim defenders of the validity and reputation of Islaam"
It is a Bahaism tactic to misrepresent Islam.
Islam doesn't need and defendants from Bahaism people. We can and we do defend Islam from Quran, whatever our denomination.
Regards
The words you were using were 'Nabi' and 'Rasool'. You had mentioned they were like 'Prophet' and 'Messenger' but there wasn't an equivalent in English.
You have made clear what the term 'seal' means, but I'm unclear why you as a Muslim would believe Muhammad is the final Rasool and Nabi like Moses, Jesus, David or Muhammad.
As an aside there are less open forums where you can choose who you want (or don't want to talk to). For example I was tagged today on this thread.
A Baha'i Conundrum (by invitation only)
Bahaullah did not claim that he had any Converse with G-d, in his core book of thought "Kitab-i-Iqan". His writing, as I understand, are not Word of Revelation of G-d as we Muslims believe Quran is. Muhammad never said that Quran is authored by him.
Bahaullah's writings are authored by Bahaullah, one could see it from the official site.
Regards
Needs explanation. Membership in the Baha'i Faith is an individual choice and not by invitation only.
Oh, there definitely is.
That makes no sense and would not be worth considering even if in some esoteric sense "true".And what if we are telling the truth and Buddha has reappeared?
That makes no sense and would not be worth considering even if in some esoteric sense "true".
Thanks for your very kind explanation. I really appreciate it.
Please make one thing clear if you dont mind. Are you speaking of all of this in your post with scriptural teachings or teachings of who you consider are authorities. Like people.
Hope you understand my question.
Now lets take what you said about the Buddha and the return of a Buddha. You meant coming of the "Other" Buddha. Not return of the same Buddha. Siddhartha is "Shunya" now. Doesn't exist. So he cannot return as a reincarnation.
Anyway, keeping that aside, when you speak of the future Buddha, which literature are you speaking of? When you say "Buddha said" or your exact quote "Buddha spoke of future Buddha’s", where did Buddha say that? Do you understand my question? The coming of Maithri Buddha is a concept but not found in lets say the Tipitaka that is the most authentic literature attributed to inherited tradition of the Buddha. So there is no record of such a teaching. Unless you believe in a statue that is dated to 500 BC and people believe that is the coming Maithri Buddha. But that is a latter attribution and people said. Not their scripture.
So when you say this, the Buddhas coming, are you saying that "the Buddha said this, and you know he said because your scripture (e.g. Kithab I Akdhas) said so"? Or are you making that statement based on Buddhist scripture? Or is it only a teaching of the theology by elders or piers.
I hope my question is clear and you could explain briefly.
Same with me. I have ideas, but I am too old to begin anew.I'm too old to live long enough to really enjoy the gold Rolls or the Motor-Yacht. Hmmm.... Hell..... :
Yeah, most probably. Last year also the rains were heavy in some parts. It is even more widely spread this year.Global Warming
That makes no sense and would not be worth considering even if in some esoteric sense "true".
Scripture. By Buddha I meant the future Buddha spoken about by Gautama not the reincarnation of Gautama.
For example. The sun returns every day and although it’s the same sun yet we call it the sun of Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday but in reality there is only one sun.
The Book of Certitude by Baha’u’llah explains the oneness of all the Great Beings. They have differing missions and personalities and outward appearances but their essence and purpose is one and th same.
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/kitab-i-iqan/kitab-i-iqan.pdf?4eacb3cb
8. The Arising of the Buddha Metteyya
And the Blessed One named Metteyya will arise in the world—perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those who wish to train, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed—just as I have arisen today. He will realize with his own insight this world—with its gods, Māras and Brahmās, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—and make it known to others, just as I do today. He will teach the Dhamma that’s good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased. And he will reveal a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure, just as I do today. He will look after a Saṅgha of many thousand mendicants, just as I look after a Saṅgha of many hundreds today.
https://suttacentral.net/dn26/en/sujato#dn26:24.6
Brother. You are quoting Deega Nikaya from Sutta Pitaka. Have you read it bro?
Anyway, I am not gonna refute this or anything in this thread. Thanks.
I read a lot of the suttas. I'm curious given the thread. How does quoting from Deega challenge what Lover said?
From what I know, I don't see a pattern in The Dharma in full that "a god like figure" like Baha'i see, who will return like abrahamic prophets.
If not here, can you PM me?
Hmm. Okay.
Have you read the Pancha Nikaya? Its part of the Sutta Pitaka.
The 'what if' is a pointless simplistic argument. I'm surprised you used it. I've seen it used quite a lot by some folks, but it seems to be only in one direction, in favour of their personal belief. It can always be turned around to the exact opposite. Surely, Lover, you have something more substantial to offer than that. But in reality it goes all over, as the following examples illustrate.And what if we are telling the truth and Buddha has reappeared?
Do you have a statue of Buddha like Buddhist temples do to really show the true respect he deserved?I believe it’s true from my personal investigation and you differ and that’s fine. We are all entitled to our views. My belief is Buddha was truly enlightened and taught truth. And we read from the Words of Buddha in our Houses of Worship throughout the world each week. We revere the Buddha and His teachings.
The Dhammapada is a wonderful book full of gems of wisdom. There’s everything to like about Buddhism. I’ve lived in a Buddhist country and village and it’s a beautiful teaching and people.
I have nothing but praise for Buddha as I follow Him also.
The 'what if' is a pointless simplistic argument. I'm surprised you used it. I've seen it used quite a lot by some folks, but it seems to be only in one direction, in favour of their personal belief. It can always be turned around to the exact opposite. Surely, Lover, you have something more substantial to offer than that. But in reality it goes all over, as the following examples illustrate.
What if your God doesn't exist?
What if God does really exist?
What if Revoltingest is actually God?
What if Baha'u'llah, Christ, Trump (insert whatever name you want) was a con man who happened to dupe everyon?
What if I'm right?
So best not to deal in overly simplistic hypotheses.
Do you have a statue of Buddha like Buddhist temples do to really show the true respect he deserved?