exchemist
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This is an imbecile conspiracy theory.
Who in the EU would want to invite 60 million Africans to Europe and why would they do it?
Anyone who seriously thinks that is a total idiot.
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Islam: What Muslims teach children in Dutch schools
Who in the EU would want to invite 60 million Africans to Europe and why would they do it?
Anyone who seriously thinks that is a total idiot.
leov
Well-Known Member
exchemist
Veteran Member
Let's have a proper reference to this story, please, not just YouTube videos. I would not be surprised if there were one or two Wahabi-funded private schools in the Netherlands teaching this sort of stuff, but I would like to know how many, how many pupils they have, how long they have been doing this and what the reaction has been of the authorities, now that it has been discovered.Research by NRC handelsblad and Nieuwsuur:
Thousands of children in the Netherlands go to a Salafi school in addition to their regular school. At different mosque schools, teachers teach that Muslim youth should not become friends with Jews or Christians. This is the conclusion of a study by Nieuwsuur and NRC Handelsblad. They also learn that people with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
Thousands of children in the Netherlands follow Islamic lessons outside of regular education. In this informal Islam education, Salafism, a fundamentalist movement, is becoming increasingly dominant.
Nieuwsuur and NRC discovered that there are already at least 50 schools with strong Salafi influences. They investigated what children are taught at those schools. In various textbooks, the punishment of non-believers or other believers is promoted. In a book that the mosque recommends for 15 year olds there is a question about the assessment of someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic columns. The book's answer is "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
Children learn to dislike people with a different belief or belief. An important starting lesson is that their clothing may not resemble the clothing of non-Muslims. In this exercise, children must write "who imitates a people belongs to them".
From the age of 15/16 young people learn in different places in the Netherlands that they should not become friends with others. Like with Jews or with Christians. They are not even allowed to let non-Muslims eat their food. And they shouldn't congratulate them on Christmas, that's how we hear in this lesson. This is even a greater sin with Allah, and heavier than congratulating someone who drinks alcohol, commits murder ... this is even worse.NRC=Dutch Most trusted newspaper & NOS.nl=Dutch best news site ( I trust not much, I do trust these)Duizenden kinderen in Nederland gaan naast hun gewone school naar een salafistische school. Op verschillende moskee scholen onderwijzen docenten dat moslim jongeren niet bevriend mogen raken met Joden of Christenen. Dat blijkt uit het onderzoek van Nieuwsuur en NRC handelsblad. Ze leren daar ook dat mensen met een ander geloof of levensovertuiging de doodstraf verdienen.
Duizenden kinderen in nederland volgen Islamitische lessen buiten het reguliere onderwijs om. In dit informele Islam onderwijs wordt het Salafisme, een fundamentalistische stroming, steeds dominanter.
Nieuwsuur en NRC ontdekten, dat er al minstens 50 scholen zijn met sterk Salafistische invloeden. Ze onderzochten wat er op die scholen aan kinderen wordt geleerd. In verschillende lesboeken, wordt het straffen van niet gelovigen of andere gelovigen gepropageerd. In een boek dat de moskee aanraadt voor 15 jarigen staat een vraag over de beoordeling van iemand die 1 van de genoemde Islamitische zuilen ontkent. Het antwoord van het boek is "hij moet worden gedood omdat hij een ongelovige is".
Kinderen leren een afkeer te hebben van mensen met een ander geloof of levensovertuiging. Een belangrijke beginles is dat hun kleding niet mag lijken op de kleding van de niet moslims. In deze invul oefening moeten kinderen opschrijven "wie een volk imiteert behoort tot hen".
Vanaf 15/16 jaar leren jongeren op verschillende plekken in Nederland, dat ze niet bevriend mogen raken met anderen. Zoals met Joden of met Christenen. Ze mogen de niet moslims zelfs niet van hun eten laten eten. En ze mogen ze ook niet feliciteren met Kerst, zo horen we in deze les. Dit is zelfs een grotere zonde bij Allah, en zwaarder, dan het feliciteren van iemand die alcohol drinkt, moord pleegt ... dit is nog erger.
'NOS en NRC zijn betrouwbaar, Geenstijl en Telegraaf niet' - Joop
Disclaimer:
1) Below is not my opinion. Just Islamic Dutch facts. If you don't like real facts on Islam then stop reading
2) This is not to bash Islam. It is to point out what certain Muslims teach in name of Islam in the Netherlands
3) This is in General Debate and not in Islam Debate, because it's about Islam in Western World
4) Was on the Dutch news 4 days ago. I think this is just what it is, sadly (I double checked on hoax)
Fact: In Dutch Muslim schools they have been teaching Muslim children below things about Islam:
1) People with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
2) Someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic Pillars ... "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
This is not incidental. Over 50 schools, thousands of Muslim children were exposed to this Jihad like teaching
Those were just 2 of the many things that were taught. But they did worry me quite a bit
Holland nowadays has ca. 10% Muslims. If they teach Muslim kids this, there will be many soon
I am curious what experiences other countries have with what Muslims teach their children in schools
(Recently it hit the national news that fundamentalist Islam was funding mosques in the Netherlands)
(A few years ago I saw articles about this in Scandinavia too, but I didn't know if it was trustworthy)
Problems will not be solved unless we face the dark reality within religions (now Islam):
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit the problems of Islam and Koran
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit that Islamophobia is a reality, not just a fear
About the poll:
In the poll you can check any/all of the 10 options (you can change anytime)
Because many people easily scream Islamophobia, I am curious what they scream now
If you think this is part of Islamophobia you can select 1: (the whole world can see your vote)
Then, maybe, we can have a discussion that is not hysterical fear-mongering.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
The same could be asked of Christianity.
How come if Christianity is a religion of peace that there are Christian members of the KKK who teach that white people are superior and Jews and people of color should be persecuted?
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Research by NRC handelsblad and Nieuwsuur:
Thousands of children in the Netherlands go to a Salafi school in addition to their regular school. At different mosque schools, teachers teach that Muslim youth should not become friends with Jews or Christians. This is the conclusion of a study by Nieuwsuur and NRC Handelsblad. They also learn that people with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
Thousands of children in the Netherlands follow Islamic lessons outside of regular education. In this informal Islam education, Salafism, a fundamentalist movement, is becoming increasingly dominant.
Nieuwsuur and NRC discovered that there are already at least 50 schools with strong Salafi influences. They investigated what children are taught at those schools. In various textbooks, the punishment of non-believers or other believers is promoted. In a book that the mosque recommends for 15 year olds there is a question about the assessment of someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic columns. The book's answer is "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
Children learn to dislike people with a different belief or belief. An important starting lesson is that their clothing may not resemble the clothing of non-Muslims. In this exercise, children must write "who imitates a people belongs to them".
From the age of 15/16 young people learn in different places in the Netherlands that they should not become friends with others. Like with Jews or with Christians. They are not even allowed to let non-Muslims eat their food. And they shouldn't congratulate them on Christmas, that's how we hear in this lesson. This is even a greater sin with Allah, and heavier than congratulating someone who drinks alcohol, commits murder ... this is even worse.NRC=Dutch Most trusted newspaper & NOS.nl=Dutch best news site ( I trust not much, I do trust these)Duizenden kinderen in Nederland gaan naast hun gewone school naar een salafistische school. Op verschillende moskee scholen onderwijzen docenten dat moslim jongeren niet bevriend mogen raken met Joden of Christenen. Dat blijkt uit het onderzoek van Nieuwsuur en NRC handelsblad. Ze leren daar ook dat mensen met een ander geloof of levensovertuiging de doodstraf verdienen.
Duizenden kinderen in nederland volgen Islamitische lessen buiten het reguliere onderwijs om. In dit informele Islam onderwijs wordt het Salafisme, een fundamentalistische stroming, steeds dominanter.
Nieuwsuur en NRC ontdekten, dat er al minstens 50 scholen zijn met sterk Salafistische invloeden. Ze onderzochten wat er op die scholen aan kinderen wordt geleerd. In verschillende lesboeken, wordt het straffen van niet gelovigen of andere gelovigen gepropageerd. In een boek dat de moskee aanraadt voor 15 jarigen staat een vraag over de beoordeling van iemand die 1 van de genoemde Islamitische zuilen ontkent. Het antwoord van het boek is "hij moet worden gedood omdat hij een ongelovige is".
Kinderen leren een afkeer te hebben van mensen met een ander geloof of levensovertuiging. Een belangrijke beginles is dat hun kleding niet mag lijken op de kleding van de niet moslims. In deze invul oefening moeten kinderen opschrijven "wie een volk imiteert behoort tot hen".
Vanaf 15/16 jaar leren jongeren op verschillende plekken in Nederland, dat ze niet bevriend mogen raken met anderen. Zoals met Joden of met Christenen. Ze mogen de niet moslims zelfs niet van hun eten laten eten. En ze mogen ze ook niet feliciteren met Kerst, zo horen we in deze les. Dit is zelfs een grotere zonde bij Allah, en zwaarder, dan het feliciteren van iemand die alcohol drinkt, moord pleegt ... dit is nog erger.
'NOS en NRC zijn betrouwbaar, Geenstijl en Telegraaf niet' - Joop
Disclaimer:
1) Below is not my opinion. Just Islamic Dutch facts. If you don't like real facts on Islam then stop reading
2) This is not to bash Islam. It is to point out what certain Muslims teach in name of Islam in the Netherlands
3) This is in General Debate and not in Islam Debate, because it's about Islam in Western World
4) Was on the Dutch news 4 days ago. I think this is just what it is, sadly (I double checked on hoax)
Fact: In Dutch Muslim schools they have been teaching Muslim children below things about Islam:
1) People with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
2) Someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic Pillars ... "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
This is not incidental. Over 50 schools, thousands of Muslim children were exposed to this Jihad like teaching
Those were just 2 of the many things that were taught. But they did worry me quite a bit
Holland nowadays has ca. 10% Muslims. If they teach Muslim kids this, there will be many soon
I am curious what experiences other countries have with what Muslims teach their children in schools
(Recently it hit the national news that fundamentalist Islam was funding mosques in the Netherlands)
(A few years ago I saw articles about this in Scandinavia too, but I didn't know if it was trustworthy)
Problems will not be solved unless we face the dark reality within religions (now Islam):
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit the problems of Islam and Koran
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit that Islamophobia is a reality, not just a fear
About the poll:
In the poll you can check any/all of the 10 options (you can change anytime)
Because many people easily scream Islamophobia, I am curious what they scream now
If you think this is part of Islamophobia you can select 1: (the whole world can see your vote
Radical Muslims are no different than radical Christians. There are plenty of radical Christians who are members of the KKK who teach their children that white people are superior and that people of other races or religions should be persecuted. Religious sects teaching hate and fear is nothing new.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I agree it's imbecile theory
But I know for a fact it's not conspiracy
Just search and you will find
But as I said beyond the scope of the OP
stvdv
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That seems a good plan to me. I did check on hoax but could not find.
The youtube seemed legitimate to me. NOS.nl we normally can trust. A few weeks ago it did hit the news about fundamentalist funded mosques.
But of course it is possible that they faked this whole news. They can do anything nowadays with computers.
This should be in the newspapers to be found also. If not, it might even be a hoax.
So I agree it's better to wait till I get some triple confirmation. It did not occur to me that the whole youtube could be faked.
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stvdv
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I googled a little more and found some additional links
First link is the original Dutch link
Second link is the Dutch link copy/pasted in google translate into English (hope you get something readable)
Grote zorgen Tweede Kamer na onderzoek salafistische moskeescholen
Google Translate
Tumult in de moslimgemeenschap na onderzoek salafistische scholen
Google Translate
Salafistische scholen leren kinderen zich af te keren van Nederland
Google Translate
This one shows an Imam who admits these are the facts happening in Holland. And who also tells that he disagrees with this. And that fanatic Salafists terrorize and threaten the mosques if they don't follow their orders of teaching.
Imams: ‘Zo onderwijs je de islam niet’
Google Translate
First link is the original Dutch link
Second link is the Dutch link copy/pasted in google translate into English (hope you get something readable)
Grote zorgen Tweede Kamer na onderzoek salafistische moskeescholen
Google Translate
Tumult in de moslimgemeenschap na onderzoek salafistische scholen
Google Translate
Salafistische scholen leren kinderen zich af te keren van Nederland
Google Translate
This one shows an Imam who admits these are the facts happening in Holland. And who also tells that he disagrees with this. And that fanatic Salafists terrorize and threaten the mosques if they don't follow their orders of teaching.
Imams: ‘Zo onderwijs je de islam niet’
Google Translate
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stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I agree
The same could also be asked about dogs, if they are man's best friend, how come members of the pitbull sometime eat humans, but poodles don't
stvdv
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You are wrong !!! Here in Holland 96% of the Islamic schools are radical Islam. How large is the percentage KKK in your example of all the Christians?
The youtube said that 50 schools were checked. And found 50 of the 52 Islamic secondary schools to be fundamentalist Islam (96%)
The Netherlands currently has (2019) 52 Islamic primary schools and 3 Islamic secondary schools (Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Utrecht). For comparison: the Netherlands has 6268 primary and 652 secondary schools in total (StatLine, 2019).
exchemist
Veteran Member
I'm not asking for "triple confirmation". I am asking for the real background to the story, from a reliable source. Without this, we can all end up running about like kip zonder kop for no reason. And I am not the sort of person who does that.
stvdv
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stvdv
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No. But I should have done. It's quite something what was said in the youtube.
Luckily this time my feeling was correct, and the youtube was legal
But next time I will triple check with newspapers
exchemist
Veteran Member
I worked for Shell and rented a house in Scheveningen for three years. But I learned almost no Dutch........apart from words connected with food. The Hollandse blauwe was a very good chicken, I remember.
sooda
Veteran Member
Probably not.. Wahabis are non violent.
It's not just Salafis/Wahabis who believe death penalty for leaving Islam, almost all Shiite Scholars as well as Sunnis, past and present, believe in it. Very few scholars don't. As for what the masses believe, I don't know, but they tend to defend their scholars.
They are, in Western terms, fundamentalists who have issues with even other Muslims who they consider are violating what they see as Islam.
Just as some Christians say not to associate with members of other religions or even other Christians, this is also true of some Jews, some Hindus and even some Buddhists.
And this bigotry is also present for skin color etc. The tribalism of "we're good, they're evil" is an old old problem that has come more to the surface these days.
People of good will should avoid falling into their trap and differentiate those of good will in other groups from the fanatics who preach hate and fear.
From what I know, this is accurate:
According to Abdul Rashied Omar, the majority of modern Islamic jurists continue to regard apostasy as a crime deserving the death penalty.[12] Some regard apostasy in Islam as a form of religious crime, although others do not.[6][5][19] Others argue that the death penalty is an inappropriate punishment,[20][21][22][23] inconsistent with the Qur'anic injunctions such as Quran 88:21–22[24] or "no compulsion in religion";[25] and/or that it was a man-made rule enacted in the early Islamic community to prevent and punish the equivalent of desertion or treason,[26] and should be enforced only if apostasy becomes a mechanism of public disobedience and disorder (fitna).[27] According to Khaled Abou El Fadl, moderate Muslims do not believe that apostasy requires punishment.[24] Critics[28][29] argue that the death penalty or other punishment for apostasy in Islam is a violation of universal human rights, and an issue of freedom of faith and conscience.[20][30]
As of 2014, laws in various Muslim-majority countries prescribed for the apostate (Arabic: مرتد murtadd) sentences ranging from execution to a prison term to no punishment.[31][32] Sharia courts in some countries use civil code to void the Muslim apostate's marriage and to deny child-custody rights as well as inheritance rights.[33] From 1985 to 2006, three governments executed four individuals for apostasy from Islam: "one in Sudan in 1985; two in Iran, in 1989 and 1998; and one in Saudi Arabia in 1992."[25] Twenty-three Muslim-majority countries, as of 2013, additionally covered apostasy from Islam through their criminal laws.[34] The Tunisian Constitution of 2014 stipulates protection from attacks based on accusations of apostasy.[35] In a Pew Research Center poll, public support for capital punishment for apostasy among Muslims ranged from 78% in Afghanistan to less than 1% in Kazakhstan.
sooda
Veteran Member
Do you know any Salafis or Wahabis from KSA or do you just know some nuts who call themselves Wahabis?