sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You don't believe in existence?IDK. Why?
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You don't believe in existence?IDK. Why?
Actually we kinda do, many reasons are similar to those of animals.It doesn't make sense to me, and millions of other people, because we don't kill just to survive, or to defend territory, or because of some instinct.
Or maybe it's just a conclusion from looking at the perceived facts of realitySo that kind of reasoning seems to me, another excuse of man, conjured up to address the question of why there is suffering, and his refusal to investigate any answer that is related to a divine creator.
Well not everyone knows about the rescuer, not everyone feels as though they need the rescuer and not everyone sees any reason to believe that there's a rescuer so I don't blame people if they choose not be rescued and in some cases it's not a choice since they may not even know that there maybe a rescuer.They chose not to be rescued.
Maybe but still that's some not all.Rather, I believe, some people are like spoiled children - meaning those that want to have their own way.
There are nonbelievers too that value those things but they are drawn to other things that help with growing those qualities.To me, God's is perfect.
He is creating a world, in which only righteousness will dwell.
So at the end of the day, only people of right heart, will be drawn to him - humble, honest, and hungering for truth, and righteousness.
All three of these must be present in a person.
Once they are, God will draw them to his son, and draw close to them.
Well one has to do with finding and interpreting spiritual truth which can very easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted by imperfect human senses, if it exists while the other doesn't require understanding or interpreting an easily misunderstood or misinterpreted truth and very easy to do with a fallible human brain at least in most cases and can even be argued to be aided by the fallible brain of man.They may be two different things, but the principles are not different, imo.
Would you mind explaining the difference please. How is one "extremely difficult for fallible humans to do while the other isn't difficult to do and isn't impeded by fallibility"?
I was making the point that most scientists accept it in response to your claim that a lot of scientists don't accept it although granted a lot doesn't mean most but still not many seem to support according to polls or at least that's what I heard.Why did you see the need to mention it? Were you not making a point?
It's amazing how believers would admonish nonbelievers for looking at the world and then drawing conclusions about God since they don't have the big picture and could be looking at things wrong yet it's not a problem for believers to do it, what a double standard.How can you get to know and understand a person? You can learn a lot through their actions.
In this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. When you understand God's actions, the view will not only change; everything will add up perfectly.
I am not talking about following religious books or beliefs that others say come from God. I am talking about what actually exists and is going on all around us. God's actions.
There is a lot to Discover. On the other hand, the more one understands; the better reality will look.
Yes, this world is a Masterpiece!!
Maybe because humans are more intelligent, sentient and dominant than other creatures.Why animals don't have their own countries similar to humans?
Why humans care and animals don't? can you explain?
You will have to clarify a bit. I agre that humans and animals are different and al are living creatures. I said the difference is that only humans have spirits.Humans were designed differently but still a living creatures.
Yes because existence is all that there is.You don't believe in existence?
Unfortunately you saying so does not make it true. I go by the Bible. Can you give a verse that says animals have spirits? Or is this just your belief based on some idea you heard somewhere?Yes. They do.
Specific chapter and verse in Genesis please.We are all born with God’s spirit within us. Genesis says so.
That’s God.Yes because existence is all that there is.
Well bully for you! The Bible also says snakes talk and that the earth is flat.Unfortunately you saying so does not make it true. I go by the Bible. Can you give a verse that says animals have spirits? Or is this just your belief based on some idea you heard somewhere?
Figure it out; you’re the Bible “expert.”Specific chapter and verse in Genesis please.
We kill just to survive, and defend territory? Really?Actually we kinda do, many reasons are similar to those of animals.
I don't mind seeing those 'facts', as I have not seen them before.Or maybe it's just a conclusion from looking at the perceived facts of reality
I'm not sure I agree, but I can't officially prove it. Time will reveal the truth, I believe.Well not everyone knows about the rescuer, not everyone feels as though they need the rescuer and not everyone sees any reason to believe that there's a rescuer so I don't blame people if they choose not be rescued and in some cases it's not a choice since they even know that there maybe a rescuer.
Of course, it can't be all. Some don't complain, and want their own way.Maybe but still that's some not all.
Oh, I was sure we were talking about people whom God would rescue. Sorry.There are nonbelievers too that value those things but they are drawn to other things that help with growing those qualities.
I probably misunderstood you. I really thought you were saying there is a difference between understanding spirituality and choosing to do evil.Well one has to do with finding and interpreting spiritual truth which can very easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted by imperfect human senses, if it exists while the other doesn't require understanding or interpreting an easily misunderstood or misinterpreted truth and very easy to do with a fallible human brain at least in most cases and can even be argued to be aided by the fallible brain of man.
A minority can still be many, so it is not a claim. It is a fact.I was making the point that most scientists accept it in response to your claim that a lot of scientists don't accept it although granted a lot doesn't mean most but still not many seem to support according to polls or at least that's what I heard.
Yes it is easy to say the other person is wrong when you are not able to answer a question.Well bully for you! The Bible also says snakes talk and that the earth is flat.
A wonderful world in your opinion, someone could argue the opposite.
It looks like people teach themselves.
It's amazing how believers would admonish nonbelievers for looking at the world and then drawing conclusions about God since they don't have the big picture and could be looking at things wrong yet it's not a problem for believers to do it, what a double standard.
The answer is, O Best Beloved, that the Bible is not the be-all-end-all of correct information — though you won’t accept that. You’ll make excuses for it’s errancies while claiming that it has all the answers we need. In fact, it does not. Not even the earliest followers relied on it alone.Yes it is easy to say the other person is wrong when you are not able to answer a question.
At least I give a basis for my position. You seem to say that your opinion is corect just because you believe it. If you can cite a source for what you say then others may consider it.The answer is, O Best Beloved, that the Bible is not the be-all-end-all of correct information — though you won’t accept that. You’ll make excuses for it’s errancies while claiming that it has all the answers we need. In fact, it does not. Not even the earliest followers relied on it alone.
The real question is: why would the Bible concern itself with the interior life of animals, when it’s the account of OUR relationship with the Divine?
So you needn’t be so smug about calling out my “baseless” belief. Yours are just as baseless.
Your basis is also "just because you believe it." Saying "the bible doesn't address it" isn't good enough. What's your theological basis?At least I give a basis for my position. You seem to say that your opinion is corect just because you believe it. If you can cite a source for what you say then others may consider it.
Thank you. I do appreciate your answer. And I will lok into some of it.Your basis is also "just because you believe it." Saying "the bible doesn't address it" isn't good enough. What's your theological basis?
Mine comes from years of studying both the texts and the theological positions/constructs that have been put forward from them. Based on the Bible -- and theologians such as Teilhard de Chardin, George MacLeod, and Meister Eckhart.
Still, clever apologists or not, none of this supports the authority of the Bible.Your basis is also "just because you believe it." Saying "the bible doesn't address it" isn't good enough. What's your theological basis?
Mine comes from years of studying both the texts and the theological positions/constructs that have been put forward from them. Based on the Bible -- and theologians such as Teilhard de Chardin, George MacLeod, and Meister Eckhart.