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Why does God care about some mammal species floating around in the middle of nowhere?

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
And what does it mean to “receive God?” (Hint: it means more than “getting saved.”)
No, the question is why does God give this power to SOME people and not all? And if He gives the power to BECOME His sons then we are NOT automatically His sons just because He formed us form dust. And I would say to recieve him means more than just saying "Oh, God made me so I am his son". What does it mean to you? Please be kind enough to enlighten those of us who may not know.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, the question is why does God give this power to SOME people and not all? And if He gives the power to BECOME His sons then we are NOT automatically His sons just because He formed us form dust. And I would say to recieve him means more than just saying "Oh, God made me so I am his son". What does it mean to you? Please be kind enough to enlighten those of us who may not know.
That's not what it says though. It says that Jesus gives this power to as many as receive him. Again: one has to interpret what it means to "receive" Jesus.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, the question is why does God give this power to SOME people and not all? And if He gives the power to BECOME His sons then we are NOT automatically His sons just because He formed us form dust. And I would say to recieve him means more than just saying "Oh, God made me so I am his son". What does it mean to you? Please be kind enough to enlighten those of us who may not know.
We also have to interpret what it means to be "born of God."
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
I would truly like to hear reality if you know it.



How can you get to know and understand a person? You can learn a lot through their actions.

In this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. When you understand God's actions, the view will not only change; everything will add up perfectly.

I am not talking about following religious books or beliefs that others say come from God. I am talking about what actually exists and is going on all around us. God's actions.

There is a lot to Discover. On the other hand, the more one understands; the better reality will look.

Yes, this world is a Masterpiece!!
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Ooh. How insulting.
Yup. He hates my guts.
Too bad some Athletes get all riled up, and show their anger :mad:, whenever their religion come under fire, or someone disagree with their accepted view.
Yup. Your philosophies are religious beliefs.

There's no anger. There's just astonishment.
You linked to a post of mine where I said that there's nothing related to god or the supernatural that can be studied and observed, unlike with nurses and doctors, where we DO have things we can study and observe.

The same goes for living things both extant and historical. There is plenty of things to be studied and observed, allowing us to draw rational conclusions about past events and history of species.

No offense was meant. I can't help if you want to take offense.

So we see fully formed complex organisms of all life-forms basically

"fully formed"? Does this imply that you think evolution expects to find "not fully formed" creatures?
Care to elaborate on that?

, just appear on the scene, and they remain the same till now - never changing

Demonstrably false.
We see clear progressions through the fossil record, and comparative anatomy of fossils with extant species completely match the nested hierarchies we observe in the genomes of extant species. On top of that, we also see this evolutionary history completely matching with the geographic distribution of species.

We don't find kangaroo fossils or young ancestors thereof outside of australia, for example.

, and we have evidence of intelligent agents carrying out tasks, with an intelligent mind communicating information into planning.

And these agents are humans who aren't responsible for evolutionary change. At best, we USE natural evolutionary processes to evolve creatures and plants according to selection parameters for our benefit.

That's how we domesticated dogs and cattle.
That's how we created all kinds of vegetables and fruits.

Like the banana:

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The one on top is the wild banana. The one on the bottom is the result of selective breeding.

Manufacturing various vehicles from the same materials, and with similar design features, doesn't say much, other than they had been designed with a similar plan, and by similar minds.

Not a single productline manufactured by humans exhibits nested hierarchies. Not a single one.
The reason is simple: to design productlines like that is STUPID design. It's wastefull, inefficient and just plain dumb. Not a single intelligent being would design things like that. Not a single one.
If an engineer would do that, he'ld be fired instantly.

Evolution however, can ONLY result in nested hierarchies. Any other pattern of shared traits / genes would disprove evolution.

Yes the evidence is indeed overwhelmingly in favor of creation.

Is it?

Call me when "creation theory" can match the predicting capacities of evolution theory, like with fossil finds like Tiktaalik... Paleontologists (etc) predicted the location, the age and the traits of this creature BEFORE it was even known to exist.

That's explanatory power.

How are scientists capable of achieving such a feat, if evolution is supposedly so wrong?

Archaeopteryx - Wikipedia
...
So they don't have different interpretations...

1. we weren't talking about archaeopteryx
2. the wiki article doesn't put evolution into question at all, so please don't pretend as if it makes your point, because it most definatly doesn't.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
YES!! All theological language is metaphoric, because that’s the only way we can grasp the concepts in language. The character “God” in the Bible is a metaphor.

For my money, any time someone talks religion, Divinity, spirituality, they’re talking in metaphor. They may not think they are; but I believe they are. God is too vast for us to wrap our minds completely around.

In that case, all this is meaningless to me.
Poetic stuff that has little to no bearing on reality at all.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Well... ok. Theology doesn’t move as quickly as science, because human metaphor and mythic conceptualizations don’t change so quickly; they’re a little more “burned in” to our psyche. But let me run these past you as food for thought.

The point of it, is that it doesn't move at all.
And IF it comes up with something new, it really is just a repackaging of the same (metaphoric) nonsense it already had. It adds nothing at all to our collective knowledge and it is entirely useless because of it.

You could erase all of theology overnight and we wouldn't be missing out on anything meaningfull.

For the first time, humanity is faced with the reality that we have the power, through nuclear weapons, to completely destroy ourselves. We are also beginning to face a very real possibility that we’ve exploited the planet beyond its capability to recover. Those things are existential and fundamental game-changers for us as a species. An ecological theology helps us to reframe the world and our understanding of it in ways that allow us to see it as a fellow creature to be honored and with which to build an interdependent relationship, rather than something unrelated to us that we can just exploit.

That makes no sense to me at all.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
In that case, all this is meaningless to me.
Poetic stuff that has little to no bearing on reality at all.
Poetry and metaphor are two different things. But I’m frankly surprised. You’re a percussionist — an artist. I guess that has no bearing on your reality?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The point of it, is that it doesn't move at all.
And IF it comes up with something new, it really is just a repackaging of the same (metaphoric) nonsense it already had. It adds nothing at all to our collective knowledge and it is entirely useless because of it.

You could erase all of theology overnight and we wouldn't be missing out on anything meaningfull
I highly disagree, because the whole aim of theology is to make meaning.

That makes no sense to me at all.
I give up.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Exactly the answer one would expect from a person with no religion. People with religion have it figured out.


Oh they do? Then why, may we not so humbly ask
has hardly any two figured out the same things?

Most of the people in the world "with religion" dont
believe any of the Christian stuff any more than I do.

So sorry-ah, but I find your response to be a fail.

(exactly, of course, as is to be expected )
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Oh they do? Then why, may we not so humbly ask
has hardly any two figured out the same things?

Most of the people in the world "with religion" dont
believe any of the Christian stuff any more than I do.

So sorry-ah, but I find your response to be a fail.

(exactly, of course, as is to be expected )
I find that many Christians don't want to go to the effort or cost of searching -- they want to automatically "find" -- like magic.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Oh they do? Then why, may we not so humbly ask
has hardly any two figured out the same things?

Most of the people in the world "with religion" dont
believe any of the Christian stuff any more than I do.

So sorry-ah, but I find your response to be a fail.

(exactly, of course, as is to be expected )
What you call"religion" is not always right.
 
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