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Getting Closer

Jos

Well-Known Member
All life is important and to be appreciated, but from the biblical perspective God gave animals as food. Sad, though, because before sin occurred in the garden of Eden, it seems people did not eat animals.
God gave animals as food but is still somehow loving, how is that even possible?

Or yams and pomegranates ... :rolleyes:
I don't know what you're insinuating here but isn't all life equal in your religious perspective?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Whatever, people ignore climate change in history. Let's take the so called ice age for example and the fact that it was warmer in Europe during the medieval period. Who is to say that climate change isn't natural and always occurring? In my opinion spraying aluminum contaminants in the air for us all to breathe is folly. It's a neurotoxin. They need to stop the chem trails before it's too late.

There have been several major "ice ages".
We are currently in an interglacial stage of the
most recent one that began about 3million yrs
ago.

The "mini ice age" is a pop term for a period of
unusually cold weather a few hundred yrs ago.

There have been much bigger swings in weather /
climate over the past 12,000 yrs or so since the
rapid retreat of continental glaciers.

Nobody with enough sense to open an umbrella
in the rain denies that weather and climate change
drastically over time.

I doubt the people who "ignore" this may be
in your imagination only. :D

What is "wrong" with what you said re ice age is
that it was kinda nonsensical.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Actually, I am expecting ww3 to solve the problem; not that I want that. But it's where the world is headed thanks to the powers that shouldn't be. Then you'll have plenty of more problems to worry about. Such as nuclear radioactive wastelands etc.
Looks like Malthus rather than God is going to sort this out, then. Makes sense.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Whatever, people ignore climate change in history. Let's take the so called ice age for example and the fact that it was warmer in Europe during the medieval period. Who is to say that climate change isn't natural and always occurring? In my opinion spraying aluminum contaminants in the air for us all to breathe is folly. It's a neurotoxin. They need to stop the chem trails before it's too late.
Who is to say? Virtually all the climate scientists in the entire world.

As for the chemtrails, I suggest you try this:


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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
From the biblical perspective human beings are made in God's image, so we are unique from other animals and while God gave animals for food, humans are not to eat one another.
The biblical mandate is to show good stewardship and care for animals properly and kindly because they are God's creation and property, not ours. So we should not be treating animals in a nasty way.

A righteous man regards the life of his animal, But the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10


Along with that, it is not healthy to eat human flesh...

When People Ate People, A Strange Disease Emerged

I can understand all this but from my perspective, and seeing other animal species as being a lot closer to us, it hardly helps, since some religions do seem to view other creatures as our 'possessions' - to do with as we will, even if supposedly humanely - when it often deprives us of some value - like seeing our connection to them all. And of course I don't think humans are unique - since we might just go as extinct as so many others have.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Even transubstantiation hedges its bet. It maintains that the bread and wine still maintain their outer form.
Consubstantiation is even more forgiving. Christ is said to be "truly present in, with, and under the forms of bread and wine. Even St. Francis (who was Catholic) prayed, "...that God and the Son of God hides himself under the little forms of bread..."

So, for all intents and purposes it is bread and wine. But those creatures aren't just "representative" of Christ's body and blood. On some mysterious level the historic church maintains that Christ is truly present -- body and blood -- within the bread and wine.

I will certainly grant there are Christians today who seeing communion more as the breaking of bread in fellowship, as represented by the last meal where it is eating in remembrance what Christ represents to the Christian community, which is how I personally take it. Or historically speaking, the eucharist became a symbol of the common shared meal of early Christians, which represented the kingdom of God as immanent and expressed through social justice, with no haves and have nots. The blood and body of Christ symbolized community.

But as we know, Christians are not automatically symbolic thinkers, nor automatically capable of symbolic thought. Mythic-literal thought is part of faith development at an earlier stage, just a concrete operational (literalist) stage precedes formal operational (abstractions). To them, is literally them partaking in eating Jesus' body, as you can find in the writings of earlier Christian apologists as you can find some of their quotes in this blog defending the literalist perspective of the Eucharist. Christ in the Eucharist

When a literalist takes the bread and wine and hearing the words, "take and eat, this is my body", they will envision that they are somehow, magically, eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood, even though they know it's not really flesh and really blood. In their minds, they are literally eating Jesus' body, through some form of magic. Even if it remains bread and wine, on a mystical level, it literally is Jesus' body and blood.

Symbolic thinking, understanding metaphor is not something that can be taught to someone. And until that happens naturally as a stage of development, it will be taken as factual, albeight in some supernatural place or realm, or "spirit world", rather than in this material plane of reality. True symbolic thought would look rather different than this, which I could offer some examples of.

So when someone says "it's symbolic", what do they really mean? That is is all metaphor, that it represents internal states through symbolic forms? I don't think so. You hear the common response saying, "So, you're saying it's merely a symbol?" I've heard that complaint countless times. Each time I hear this, it tells me they in fact do not understand what symbolism is. So when they say, "Yes, the bread and wine are symbolic", I don't believe they understand what that really means.

If this is true, which I believe it is the case and examples could be provided, then from one perspective, isn't that then taken at a literal level, that somehow the bread and wine, on some level or another becomes or is infused with, or imparts the eating of Jesus' flesh, and that taking it with the intent of having the presence of God come to you through the symbolic act of eating God's incarnate body, is that a stretch for them to see that as symbolic cannibalism? Couldn't that been seen like watching someone symbolically burning a figure in effigy, as a form of symbolic execution, and that can be seen as pretty much the same as engaging in the behavior itself, without actually breaking the law?

I don't mean to offend here in a critical look at this, as I personally like what the idea of the common meal represents, which is what the last supper is supposed to be about. I just don't relate to the "blood magic" aspects of Christian faith which is what a literalist perspective sees, as literally true, even if "representationally portrayed". That perspective of Christian faith is a rather dominant voice. If we were to take a poll here on RF, I'm sure you will find that perspective well represented.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Anyone remember the movie Soylent Green?

That science fiction story may not be a too far off reality. ..
Swedish Researcher Pushes Eating Human Flesh as Answer to Future Climate Change Food Shortages


This along with other recent news items, such as Bernie Sanders thoughts about killing pre-born babies in poor third world countries to curb population, just reveals to me that demonic forces are moving full force ahead, using human tools, with the destruction of humanity as the goal.
So true. If they can call a baby in the womb just a bunch of cells and if all we are is just another animal... cannibalism will be just as logical as a chicken sandwich. It is the natural evolution.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
So true. If they can call a baby in the womb just a bunch of cells and if all we are is just another animal... cannibalism will be just as logical as a chicken sandwich. It is the natural evolution.
Well "harvesting" organs and what not from fetuses could be viewed as a new form of cannibalism already.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
So true. If they can call a baby in the womb just a bunch of cells and if all we are is just another animal... cannibalism will be just as logical as a chicken sandwich. It is the natural evolution.
I agree and it is a pretty horrendous example (s) of what happens when people depart from God's truth.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Well "harvesting" organs and what not from fetuses could be viewed as a new form of cannibalism already.
Yes... in the latest court report, Planned Parenthood admitted to the selling of baby organs for profit (as a not-for-profit org)

It breaks my heart.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
Thanks to the author of this thread which has made me giggle as it is so crazy, I needed a good laugh today. :D
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Probably bugs would be something western countries would look at first, there are probably plenty that are edible that we don't eat. I'm probably mistaken, but I thought cannibalism was what led to the chronic wasting disease in cows some years ago. Also I thought I read that some tribes had a genetic mutation that made them immune to the bad protein
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Anyone remember the movie Soylent Green?
That science fiction story may not be a too far off reality. ..
Swedish Researcher Pushes Eating Human Flesh as Answer to Future Climate Change Food Shortages
This along with other recent news items, such as Bernie Sanders thoughts about killing pre-born babies in poor third world countries to curb population, just reveals to me that demonic forces are moving full force ahead, using human tools, with the destruction of humanity as the goal.

Yes, I remember Soylent Green.
Today we see the problem of 'uneven food distribution'.
Earth produces enough food but often it does Not reach the intended.
That was even true years back when people did what I think was called a Farm Aid concert.
Even with the latest hurricane, delivered food is still sitting where it was delivered including perishable foods.
Besides curbing population with murdering pre-born babies, some countries sell their food to buy weapons.
 
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