1+1+1? No one buys that line except the heretics. If you need a formula that keeps
fidelity with
established Trinitarian doctrine then I strongly recommend a different symbol. If you're intent is to create a formulation that can be mislabeled "Trinitarian" then of course you're free to make up your own.
Moz: You have three things, that are different from each other, and call it one. No it is not only the "heritics" (a label worn with pride btw) that disagree but math, logic ,reason and common sense. You have three almighty Gods i have ONE... God the Father.
Correct. God cannot be explained. In fact someone has a God that
can be explained I would posit its not the biblical God.
Moz: THANK YOU. I also believe that YOUR God can not be explained. My God, on the other hand, was explained to me by His Son who said "The Father sent me" and "The Father is Greater than I" and "I do not my will but the Fathers." God can be explained.
All the major heresies were evangelized. That’s how all doctrines spread. The Arians had their turn in the sun, presented their argument and fell short. It’s madness to present these same arguments now and somehow expect a different result.
Moz: I do not expect a different result. The Nicaeans were always the ones tied to the political system and the establishment. But that sort of spiritual prostitution is where they go wrong. The Arian church was not a state run thing like the catholic.
The church has a rich doctrinal history. Some doctrines fell on the wayside with no soil, some on rocky ground with little soil, and some on soil which contains thorns. Those doctrines that fail to root or produce good fruit were taken away. Others are planted in fertile soil, allowed to grow and produce abundant fruit. Some ten and others a hundred fold.
Moz: So your doctrines evolved over a period of time. Going back and forth on issues. Accepting and then rejecting certain beliefs. I hope that when you encounter other groups that do the same thing you cut them some slack.
If there was some apostasy that was going to spread, envelope and overwhelm the church Jesus would have told us so. In other words, the doctrines planted in thorny soil would produce occasional fruit, whilst the doctrines sown in fertile soil would grow like crazy, producing nothing but rotten fruit, thorns and weeds by the tens of hundreds over that produced by the plants on rocky soil.
Moz: Hmmmm.... i'm pretty sure that Jesus indicated that the WEEDS, false Christians,would overgrow the field until the harvest (last days?) and at the end times the truthful ones would shine. Daniel indicates pretty much the same thing. In the last days "truth" would be revealed.
That is essentially what Arians tell us but it’s certainly not how the parable reads.
Moz: You simply misunderstand the parable. The parable of the "sower" is about personal ministry. It is the "Wheat and the Weeds" parable that foreshadows the history of the faith. The future was to be false teachers and weeds choking out the wheat until the last days.
Peace
Have a great and safe Labor Day weekend everyone!!!