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Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I see that people can choose that path.

Regards Tony
So, ergo, he's not the "shaman to the entire human race" or necessarily anything to any random person. He might be their Messiah. He could be another of their prophets. He could be one of many facets of god. Or he could be no one. He may even be entirely unknown.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the Old and the New Testament an in all past scriptures?

I believe some of the OT prophesies of the Messiah refer to the life of Jesus Christ and some of those prophesies refer to his Second Coming. Some of the Jews in the time of Jesus, believed he was the Messiah and accepted him. I suppose they did not see this acceptance as leaving Judiasm or as conversion to another faith. This was their faith all along. But to other Jews, they did not see the Messiah in Jesus. We also have gentiles who were not waiting for or expecting a Messiah, but converted to Christianity as they came to learn of the OT prophesies and believed Jesus was their Savior. The question of why some see Jesus as the Messiah and some do not, is a very broad question with many answers. You're basically asking every person in the world why they have not read the OT prophesies of a Messiah, read the NT, and become a converted Christian. Well, there are many reasons. Where do I start?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
how a Messenger of God, is always rejected?
Yeshua had 5000+ people listening, and accepting him...

If we read the prophecies, Zechariah 11, Jeremiah 25:29-38 it discusses that the Leaders will reject their Messiah, causing the Curse of Moses to be placed, and then they will rewrite it.

Buddha was accepted whilst alive, Krishna was... It is only after the corruption by the Roman Empire, that people started following fake religious values...

In other words personally find many in this world cult followers, playing follow the leader, and not the understanding as One; dividing books by religious author is missing the point.
I mean Gods Messenger is 100% Trustworthy and trueful.
Yeshua said do not call him good; because there is none good but God (Mark 10:18)...

Only God is perfect 100%, anything down here in the Maya gets corrupted by its very nature.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So, ergo, he's not the "shaman to the entire human race" or necessarily anything to any random person. He might be their Messiah. He could be another of their prophets. He could be one of many facets of god. Or he could be no one. He may even be entirely unknown.

What we choose, does not change as to who is the Messiah that has fulfilled prophecy. God does not need our acceptance or worship. That is but pure bounty we can choose to partake of.

I can say the Father promised by Christ has come. I say that, as you have the choice, not because I can or even want to change how you think.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe some of the OT prophesies of the Messiah refer to the life of Jesus Christ and some of those prophesies refer to his Second Coming. Some of the Jews in the time of Jesus, believed he was the Messiah and accepted him. I suppose they did not see this acceptance as leaving Judiasm or as conversion to another faith. This was their faith all along. But to other Jews, they did not see the Messiah in Jesus. We also have gentiles who were not waiting for or expecting a Messiah, but converted to Christianity as they came to learn of the OT prophesies and believed Jesus was their Savior. The question of why some see Jesus as the Messiah and some do not, is a very broad question with many answers. You're basically asking every person in the world why they have not read the OT prophesies of a Messiah, read the NT, and become a converted Christian. Well, there are many reasons. Where do I start?

Start where you see you need to.

From my point of view and from what I have found, there has been 3 Christs from the time of Jesus. I see Jesus has more than fulfilled His Covernant with us.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yeshua had 5000+ people listening, and accepting him...

If we read the prophecies, Zechariah 11, Jeremiah 25:29-38 it discusses that the Leaders will reject their Messiah, causing the Curse of Moses to be placed, and then they will rewrite it.

Buddha was accepted whilst alive, Krishna was... It is only after the corruption by the Roman Empire, that people started following fake religious values...

In other words personally find many in this world cult followers, playing follow the leader, and not the understanding as One; dividing books by religious author is missing the point.

Yeshua said do not call him good; because there is none good but God (Mark 10:18)...

Only God is perfect 100%, anything down here in the Maya gets corrupted by its very nature.

In my opinion.
:innocent:

Hello Wizanda, I hooe you are well and happy, the big day must be close for you.

Regards Tony
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Hello Wizanda, I hooe you are well and happy, the big day must be close for you.
Hello Tony,

Peace & Blessings B with U 2

The day approaches as a thief in the night, where no one sees it coming; I'm just a warning sign to humanity, thank you for rejecting the messengers as you say must happen.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
So, ergo, he's not the "shaman to the entire human race" or necessarily anything to any random person. He might be their Messiah. He could be another of their prophets. He could be one of many facets of god. Or he could be no one. He may even be entirely unknown.

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
What we choose, does not change as to who is the Messiah that has fulfilled prophecy.
Nah, because blood really isn't thicker than water. Blood can be blood in strict biology terms, but as far as real world relationships we find so often that blood is meaningless, as blood is often rejected and non-blood accepted as blood. If the Jewish God sent their Messiah, it was for them. Not for me. He made a series of covenants between himself and his prophets that were for the Jewish people. I'm not Jewish, so why would I include myself into something that my ancestors weren't themselves into? Trees were very significant to them, but you still have to believe what they did for trees to be that. To me trees are great, but I don't see them as spirits or having any supernatural ties or relevance to any sort of god. But that view was just as real to them as was the Catholic view of Christianity to their descendants. Which is still very heavily Pagan, but appropriated from "Rome Proper," who appropriated it from the early Gnostics, who themselves appropriated it from the Jews. So it overall has a bunch of this and that, and that is largely, mostly, and heavily predominately the Christianity that has been known and widely accepted today and throughout the majority of it's existence. And then it changed, but still remained pretty Pagan. It changed and changed, and changes still. Surely this requires belief to hold any truth or binding ability, just as it required belief in the Olympians as deities in order for Mt. Olympus to hold deep significance.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nah, because blood really isn't thicker than water. Blood can be blood in strict biology terms, but as far as real world relationships we find so often that blood is meaningless, as blood is often rejected and non-blood accepted as blood. If the Jewish God sent their Messiah, it was for them. Not for me. He made a series of covenants between himself and his prophets that were for the Jewish people. I'm not Jewish, so why would I include myself into something that my ancestors weren't themselves into? Trees were very significant to them, but you still have to believe what they did for trees to be that. To me trees are great, but I don't see them as spirits or having any supernatural ties or relevance to any sort of god. But that view was just as real to them as was the Catholic view of Christianity to their descendants. Which is still very heavily Pagan, but appropriated from "Rome Proper," who appropriated it from the early Gnostics, who themselves appropriated it from the Jews. So it overall has a bunch of this and that, and that is largely, mostly, and heavily predominately the Christianity that has been known and widely accepted today and throughout the majority of it's existence. And then it changed, but still remained pretty Pagan. It changed and changed, and changes still. Surely this requires belief to hold any truth or binding ability, just as it required belief in the Olympians as deities in order for Mt. Olympus to hold deep significance.

Our vision can change when we consider that we are one people on one planet. Our differences are from nature and nurture, combined with the fact that it is in only the last couple of hundred years that the planet can be traversed. It is only in the last 50 years that modern communication has shrunk into the screen of our phone.

Thus no message was restricted to one people, it could have inspired any people in any place. It is only in this age we can grasp that the source of all is One.

Regards Tony
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
we are one people on one planet. Our differences are from nature and nurture,
I acknowledge that. But it doesn't mean one religious principle or concept equally applies to us all. IMO, god wouldn't use humans to communicate his desires, will, and rules. We're really not that good at recording things, accurately doing so, or when it comes to honesty.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member

I'm torn on whether to share my view or keep quiet and which would be better, but...

Rules are kind of man made and apply more in a conservative's view of God. What I like about what I've studied of the actual faith in regards to Baha'I, is I see it more as "best practices" than "rules". This is reinforced by a less harsh view of the afterlife.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I acknowledge that. But it doesn't mean one religious principle or concept equally applies to us all. IMO, god wouldn't use humans to communicate his desires, will, and rules. We're really not that good at recording things, accurately doing so, or when it comes to honesty.

Yes we have a bad track record. I see that now is the time to change that.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm torn on whether to share my view or keep quiet and which would be better, but...

Rules are kind of man made and apply more in a conservative's view of God. What I like about what I've studied of the actual faith in regards to Baha'I, is I see it more as "best practices" than "rules". This is reinforced by a less harsh view of the afterlife.

Good to see you post.

I see that is the challenge of how we choose to live our life. How many of the best practices will we choose to live and share?

The other thing we get to consider, are these practices optional in faith, or are they obligations in law?

Stay well and happy, regards Tony
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I mean Gods Messenger is 100% Trustworthy and trueful. They ask us to judge them to thise standards.

But as I just explained, you can never rationally arrive at that conclusion. :shrug:

It then becomes our choice to imvetigate the claim or not to. To choose to see through their eyes, or eyes of another person.

I have found they are as claimed, they are the source of Truth.

Regards Tony

How did you investigate? Again, my original question was, how do you determine that a person is receiving messages from a supernatural deity? What is the method? How do we test the claim?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I think many people besides me don't accept the messiah concept period, so it's not at all a question of not accepting any particular messiah claimant, but just not believing God (if it exists) would have any reason whatsoever to burden one individual with all that power. For one, the poor guy would explode physically.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I'm torn on whether to share my view or keep quiet and which would be better, but...

Rules are kind of man made and apply more in a conservative's view of God. What I like about what I've studied of the actual faith in regards to Baha'I, is I see it more as "best practices" than "rules". This is reinforced by a less harsh view of the afterlife.
Rules are good. They just do need to be flexible. Which is a necessary need that can easily and not uncommonly does lead unfortunate ends. Often times I'm surprised we made it this far without driving ourselves into extinction. Rules are too strict and things are bad, they get too lax and things are bad, and we are crap and doing that "balance" thing.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the Old and the New Testament an in all past scriptures?

Baha'is see that it has happened, but not as people have expected.

Maybe that humanity as a whole will now finally understand as to how a Messenger of God, is always rejected?

This is a rewording of another thread in this topic.

The vision for this thread embraces a wider audience, all of Humanity. We also have the Dates of AD1844 and AH1260 as a starting point.

Regards Tony

What messiah?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But as I just explained, you can never rationally arrive at that conclusion. :shrug:

I see it is more than possible to arrive at that conclusion.

To me it is sensible and logical to draw that conclusion after an investigation of a claim made, an investigation based in justice and truth.

In this day truth itself has become a lie. Our leaders have forgotton what it is to be trustworthy and truthful. In days gone by, truth was the foundation of a good character. I watch TV and most shows are based on deceptions, everyone offering lies.

So where is Truth found? Your choice to pursue and find.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How did you investigate? Again, my original question was, how do you determine that a person is receiving messages from a supernatural deity? What is the method? How do we test the claim?

I see that is for you to decide. It is your heart and you must ask yourself if you really wish to find the truth to the questions you are asking.

I can show you only where I found the answers, but it is not I that gives the answers.

Thoughts such as this can help, but only if you see they can help,

"… weigh carefully in the balance of reason and science everything that is presented to you as religion. If it passes this test, then accept it, for it is truth! If, however, it does not so conform, then reject it, for it is ignorance!" – Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 143.

This link is a discussion on how we can consider to take up a search about truth, I chose a link, because it is then your choice to read it or not.

How to Independently Investigate the Truth

Regards Tony
 
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