shmogie
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Where do you get this stuff from ?So you are in favour of increased output of greenhouse gases?
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Where do you get this stuff from ?So you are in favour of increased output of greenhouse gases?
I am asking you a question. When I assumed you were not in favour of increased output of greenhouse gases you said that assumption was wrong.Where do you get this stuff from ?
No I am not. Nor am I in favor of hysteria and stupid solutions to the problem. Further, I am not in favor of economies being destroyed on something no one knows will be successful.I am asking you a question. When I assumed you were not in favour of increased output of greenhouse gases you said that assumption was wrong.
So are you in favour of increased greenhouse gases or not?
And people wonder why the scientists aren't being listened to.I have heard this song before. Beginning in the 60ś a movement began predicting that in 20 years over population would start food riots. By 2000 order everywhere would have broken down and people would be starving to death in large numbers. Food would become the sole quest of every human, murder, rapine, all of it would have full reign as the vastly overpopulated earth would be a hell of starvation.
All kinds of scientific papers, charts and articles in support were published.
Many scientists bought into this, and dire warnings were given on a regular basis, doomsday was upon us.
In the early 70ś a new doomsday was added to the first, there was no oil left to use. The world was rabidly running out of oil, and in 10 to 20 years the earths supply of oil would be completely exhausted many dire faced scientists said.
Guess what .......................................?
I actually agree with this. Mainstream Democrats have been far too much rich elites and tied to corporate interest. And that makes far more mess than the private sector. Until we can get the Overton window to shift left enough for Capitol ventures to mean less than human safety, Democrats are going to have mixed success at best. Which us why I want Democrats are *actually* leftists, not center-right by everyone elses standards.
I'll help you clean off the sap afterward.
The numbers paint a pretty clear picture that no point in Earth history outside meteor or super visible volcanic activity has climate changed so fast. Coupled with lining up with industrial timelines, there's no good reason to believe this is a (wholly) natural event.
After all, dimpling in the ozone is common, and there has never been uniform thinness, but it was the lowered release of human-production chlorine into the stratosphere which stopped ozone depletion. (Which is a great thing!)
I'm not. I don't think a recession would change Trump fan's minds, so it would be stupid. It would damage us all for nothing. I hope a lot of Trump's policies will fail because I think they're illogical, immoral or ineffectual but you couldn't tell me with a straight face conservatives didn't do the same with Obama.
Nice try. China and India are STILL the worlds largest polluters. Then there is all of Africa, South America, South Asia, and of course Russia.
We are already doing something as well, we have much higher standards than those named.
The question was asked within the framework of twelve years till the end of the world.
Whether you like it, or not, or current economy is based on oil. Plastics, heating, cooling, asphalt a million processes and products depend upon oil.
Electric cars depend upon oil created electricity.
So, it needs to be changed, I agree. Nevertheless, we do not control the rest of the world.
It is going to take decades to convert our system to renewables, unless, of course we try and do something like the green new deal, which will destroy our economy, no doubt about it.
Further, to adopt something so ludicrous enshrines a vast amount of power for the federal government, with which they can intrude into every aspect of life. Perhaps the socialist dream, but it would be death to liberty and individualism.
My home is completely solar. The excess power I produce is sold to the power company. We are in essence a tiny contributor to the grid, a tiny power company.
Solar, done right, is very expensive. I won´t live long enough to have enough in power savings to offset the cost of the system. I installed to add value for when I sell the house.
I know the cost for a 3 bedroom house, for the entire nation to go solar in a short period of time the cost would be astronomical. The power and processes expended to build a large wind turbine exceed in pollution what the turbine could save for a long, long time.
Better a two track approach, attempting to reduce as far as possible as quickly as possible, and research into survival strategies if the worst occurs.
The scientists predict in 10 years it will be very hot from global warming hard to live. I;ve also been told life will be very different we wont be able to travel anywhere. We will need to eat food from our own region etc deseases and within 2- years global warming will destroy us.
To do that you would need someone capable of leadership.Here is a proposal for you. Get the largest polluters in the world to achieve what the US has done, meet our ever improving standards regarding carbon emissions, then get back to me, we can talk.
All the scientists do excuse me........????????(sigh) WHICH scientists?
Riders, we managed to survive the Justininan Plague, the medieval plague, the Ice Age with the population bottleneck...
We'll survive this. I'm only concerned about surviving the scientists.
And this article is almost a year old. So 11 years.This is NASA research is NASA good enough for you/
We have 12 years to save the world. What do we do now?
YEP and now the Amazon forests are burning down.YIKES!And this article is almost a year old. So 11 years.
All the scientists do excuse me........????????
We also now have the Amazon rain forests which are burning down in record time.
I think were doomed, i give it 10 years maybe less. I hope that Mother nature shakes herself free from us is we are to die and maybe eventually evolution can start over and the animals will come come back and be alive again.
Were you aware that the USA has 380 times more trees than it did a hundred years ago, and just as a matter of fact, right now it looks very much as if we have more trees than we did when the Europeans moved in on the continent.
Which is considerably more than England could say. THEY absolutely clear cut their islands many years ago, and had to import and replant every single tree that is ancestor to those growing now. There is a reason that the 'New Forest" is called the 'New Forest."
As for the Amazon...yeah, there is a great deal of clear cutting and fire clearing there. Not done by evil capitalists, as a general rule; 'evil capitalist corporations' know better than to clear cut and fire clear. It's not the best economic way to use land. The folks doing this are, as a rule, doing it ILLEGALLY (as in, it's against the law in most areas to clear cut and fire clear) small subsistance farmers who are continuing a practice that they have used for many, many generations.
I am so tired of this.
Do we need to stop the clear cutting and fire clearing? Yes. We do. But the way to do it is to educate those who are doing it into a better way to manage the land, NOT blaming the evil capitalist corporations, who would handle that area much differently, if they had the doing of it.
Now I won't be around in ten years. (shrug) I just won't be. However, my children and grandchildren will, and I for one refuse to allow chicken littles to poison them into apoplexy.
Right now Amazon rain forests are burning down at a rate of 2 football fields a minute! The rain forests are what provide us with 20 percent of our oxygen. I dont think this earth is gonna be around for long just my ooinion.
Water levels are rising and threatening the Maldives. They're experiencing it first hand.
The very fact that scientists are making time frames in the first place doesn't do much when they aren't very useful. Why even bother? Don't do it then.Water levels are rising and threatening the Maldives. They're experiencing it first hand.
Do you think Maldives will be underwater in the next 100 years?
The fact remains, water levels are rising faster than what is normal for the earth. You're nitpicking timeframe predictions from scientists as proof that global warming isn't influenced by man.