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Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I predict Trump supporters won't attack him for this anti-American statement. Most likely they'll pretend it never happened or that he did not mean it.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?

Hmm, from what I've seen it's more like a warning than an order. But, Trump has a point on this -- if China-US trade tension increases it is harmful as a whole to us to rely on participating in that market. That tension, BTW, has been there long since before Trump was in office it's just Obama and his predecessors caved where as Trump is generally refusing to. The fact remains -- we are the largest market for their goods and we control that market -- Beijing figures that out or self-immolates. Up to them really... China is a small portion of our export goods and we can import from nearly anywhere else or make our own. Sure, we might get a short-term sting from that, but ultimately it's China that loses no matter what the tariff or whatever. Trump does basically have the authority to end all trade with China if he deems that the course of action, so if this is telling US businesses what to do well he can -- at least in this aspect. :D
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?

The Federal government create regulations for businesses all the time. Ideally, I'd think this should be done by Congress and the President working together.

The three branches of government ever working together/compromising again seems unlikely. I suspect more and more one branch or the other is going to have to force the issue to get anything done.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The Federal government create regulations for businesses all the time. Ideally, I'd think this should be done by Congress and the President working together.

The three branches of government ever working together/compromising again seems unlikely. I suspect more and more one branch or the other is going to have to force the issue to get anything done.
We are not talking about a regulation, or a law. There is a process for doing that. What we are talking about is the President on his own just issuing an order. That is very different from legislation.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?

No its not
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Trump does basically have the authority to end all trade with China if he deems that the course of action, so if this is telling US businesses what to do well he can -- at least in this aspect. :D
Unless, of course, those businesses let the Republican National Committee know that they will be supporting other candidates if Trump doesn't get over himself.

Then Trump will probably go on to something else for attention.
Tom
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?
Look at the Socialist Nanny state and all the plastic banning bs that's going on.

Look at Obama Motors were there a government bought actual stock in a private Enterprise thereby gaining a reasonable amount of control over a company under pretense of too-big-to-fail politicking.

Look at the mandatory insurance scam that Obamacare had forcing them to accept everybody and keeping a cut for themselves.

It's one thing to regulate and create boundaries, it's a completely another animal when it starts going into direct control and manipulation of how a said company can operate and what they can and cannot do with their products.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

I particularly want to hear from our conservative and libertarian members on this. Would it bother you if a U.S. President started giving orders to private companies regarding how they do business, who they do business with etc? Is it ok for the government to take control of the means of production through a President decree?

We are not talking about a regulation, or a law. There is a process for doing that. What we are talking about is the President on his own just issuing an order. That is very different from legislation.


Our POTUS does have the means of getting private businesses to comply with his orders.

1. Further tariff hikes can be imposed on imports from China. 2. The start date of previously announced tariffs could be switched to an earlier date. 3. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act can be invoked in order to compel companies to either leave China or face being left out of federal procurement deals.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I predict Trump supporters won't attack him for this anti-American statement. Most likely they'll pretend it never happened or that he did not mean it.
Why do you think the companies are even overseas in the first place?

Socialists, look in the mirror.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Look at the Socialist Nanny state and all the plastic banning bs that's going on.

Look at Obama Motors were there a government bought actual stock in a private Enterprise thereby gaining a reasonable amount of control over a company under pretense of too-big-to-fail politicking.

Look at the mandatory insurance scam that Obamacare had forcing them to accept everybody and keeping a cut for themselves.

It's one thing to regulate and create boundaries, it's a completely another animal when it starts going into direct control and manipulation of how a said company can operate and what they can and cannot do with their products.
We're discussing the President.
Not your whataboutism.
But thanks for playing. I suppose this means you fall into @sun rise category "Won't mention it".

Boy, isn't sun rise Mr Prophet today!
Tom
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Once again, we're seeing that Trump is not a conservative,
as he is so often described. His edict is a command economy
kind of move, ie, a rather socialistic intent.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Boy, isn't sun rise Mr Prophet today!
Not really.
His ilk will call me a Trump supporter when it suits their need to criticize.
But in this case, when we agree that Trump is horribly wrong, then I'll
not be called one. He cannot be wrong.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Why do you think the companies are even overseas in the first place?
Because they're capitalists, not patriots.
It's more profitable to manufacture in China, Mexico, Indonesia, and such. Because American consumers will still buy.

It won't stop them from complaining about those darned Mexicans stealing our jobs, though.
Tom
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
We are not talking about a regulation, or a law. There is a process for doing that. What we are talking about is the President on his own just issuing an order. That is very different from legislation.
Because they're capitalists, not patriots.
It's more profitable to manufacture in China, Mexico, Indonesia, and such. Because American consumers will still buy.

It won't stop them from complaining about those darned Mexicans stealing our jobs, though.
Tom

Even if it costs me more, I do my patriotic duty of buying only American made products.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I can't speak for others, but I myself do my patriotic duty of buying only American made products.
I've been buying some Japanese products lately.
For landscaping, they're the best in the world IMO.
As someone recently derisively quipped...
I'm a capitalist, not a patriot.
 
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