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Half of million jobs less reported bad economy

PureX

Veteran Member
I know that where I live there are plenty of "help wanted" signs around, but they are all at places that will not pay anything even remotely resembling a wage that anyone living here could actually live on. Which is why they cannot keep their help. I am also noticing that the people taking those jobs are the elderly, who cannot survive on their monthly social security retirement check, because prices have been going up while their checks have remained stagnant, or even decreased. And of course the republicans are constantly cutting the budget for social security and medicare, and threatening to cut more, or all of it, which a great many of these folks need to stay alive.

Greed is running amok among the wealthy elite and the politicians that serve them in this country. And it's only going to keep getting worse until we as a people finally put a stop to it. Because greed has no natural limit, and can never be satiated. It has to be stopped by some outside force.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I know that where I live there are plenty of "help wanted" signs around, but they are all at places that will not pay anything even remotely resembling a wage that anyone living here could actually live on. Which is why they cannot keep their help. I am also noticing that the people taking those jobs are the elderly, who cannot survive on their monthly social security retirement check, because prices have been going up while their checks have remained stagnant, or even decreased. And of course the republicans are constantly cutting the budget for social security and medicare, and threatening to cut more, or all of it, which a great many of these folks need to stay alive.

Greed is running amok among the wealthy elite and the politicians that serve them in this country. And it's only going to keep getting worse until we as a people finally put a stop to it. Because greed has no natural limit, and can never be satiated. It has to be stopped by some outside force.
And the outside power source is insanely rich and wealthy. Pish. They laugh at your feeble desires!
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
I know that where I live there are plenty of "help wanted" signs around, but they are all at places that will not pay anything even remotely resembling a wage that anyone living here could actually live on. Which is why they cannot keep their help. I am also noticing that the people taking those jobs are the elderly, who cannot survive on their monthly social security retirement check, because prices have been going up while their checks have remained stagnant, or even decreased. And of course the republicans are constantly cutting the budget for social security and medicare, and threatening to cut more, or all of it, which a great many of these folks need to stay alive.

Greed is running amok among the wealthy elite and the politicians that serve them in this country. And it's only going to keep getting worse until we as a people finally put a stop to it. Because greed has no natural limit, and can never be satiated. It has to be stopped by some outside force.
Nonsense, again.

Those help wanted signs you see are there because those who would normally do these jobs have found something better.

Who said any employer had to pay a wage that people could live on ? In the labor market, the employee chooses where they will work. When I was a kid, raised in the town where the very first Mc Donalds was, Students worked there to make a few bucks for dates and car parts.

Flipping burgers was never considered a career, just a part time job. People who are qualified to do nothing better need to look at themselves, not the job. I would support training these people to do better, but I am not sure how successful that would be.

Social Security checks are tied to the overall cost of living, and adjusted up, or not at all.

Republicans are constantly cutting the Budget for Social Security ? That is utter pap, if it were true, my checks would have gone down, they haven´t.

Here is part of the reason we are 21 trillion in debt. Politicians of both parties, but democrats are greater offenders, steal the cash from the Social Security trust fund, and leave worthless IOU´s that are never repaid. They cannot stand money existing under government control, that they can´t spend on pet projects, so they just steal it.

Social Security was designed as a retirement supplement, not as the primary financial vehicle for retirement.

I too am saddened to see old geezers like me, having to work because they can´t live on SS. Yet, they had a working lifetime to prepare for retirement, and apparently they did not.

It sounds cruel, but should I be responsible for the poor choices of others ?

I took advantage of 12 years of free education, and busted my butt working for my degreeś, The Mc Donalds careerist has the same options. There are a plethora of reasons why these folk did not prepare for life, and virtually all are tied to their choices.

Same for the folks struggling on SS. I am afraid it is going to get worse, since the SS trust fund is going to go broke as more and more baby boomers retire.

In the beginning five workers paid the SS benefit for 1 worker, today it is down to two, and wll go lower.

It is very complicated, but there are more dynamics at work here, than greed.

The government cannot live within itś means, give, give, give and spend more and more, borrow more and more,

The ¨poor¨ in America have color TVś, cell phones, video games, cars etc. Compared to the poor in the rest of the world, they are doing pretty well.

I most likely won´t be alive when the loans leading to the massive debt are called in, but it is going to be a tragedy for all, along the lines of the great depression. The 50% who work and pay taxes will be swept away along with every one else..................................
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
This article and CNN says we actually had a half million jobs less then what was reported as jobs that were counted when we thought Trump was crating jobs. This never happens unless we are in a recession

U.S. created 501,000 fewer jobs since 2018 than previously reported, new figures show
'

Yes, and you are just giggling in total glee over the possibility, aren't you?

I am a bit disgusted, though not surprised, that liberals/Democrats are rooting for a recession because they would rather see everybody in the nation suffer economic hardship than see their own power base lessen.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Nonsense, again.

Those help wanted signs you see are there because those who would normally do these jobs have found something better.

Who said any employer had to pay a wage that people could live on ? In the labor market, the employee chooses where they will work. When I was a kid, raised in the town where the very first Mc Donalds was, Students worked there to make a few bucks for dates and car parts.

Flipping burgers was never considered a career, just a part time job. People who are qualified to do nothing better need to look at themselves, not the job. I would support training these people to do better, but I am not sure how successful that would be.

Social Security checks are tied to the overall cost of living, and adjusted up, or not at all.

Republicans are constantly cutting the Budget for Social Security ? That is utter pap, if it were true, my checks would have gone down, they haven´t.

Here is part of the reason we are 21 trillion in debt. Politicians of both parties, but democrats are greater offenders,...

Social Security was, back in the early sixties, not only solvent, but actually doing very, very well. Making a profit from investments, actually. Johnson (remember Johnson...the DEMOCRAT?) stole all the funds, putting them in the general fund, to support the VietNam war, which he, very personally, escalated HUGELY. In fact, we can, with some real basis, say that he started it. Social Security has been the 'go to' financial piggy bank ever since, almost 100% by Democrats.

For Democrats and socialists to complain about it and blame Republicans is as asinine as having them call REpublicans 'racist,' when the KKK was the military arm of the Democratic Party, when it was a REPUBLICAN executive branch and conservative judges which got rid of Plessy V Ferguson (which was, if anybody cares, mostly supported by Democrats, who passed the Jim Crow laws) and got rid of public and school segregation, and it was DEMOCRATS who most violently opposed that desegregation.

But if there is one thing the Democrats seem to be extremely good at, it's "The Big Lie," getting people to believe the precise opposite of the truth.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Yes, and you are just giggling in total glee over the possibility, aren't you?

I am a bit disgusted, though not surprised, that liberals/Democrats are rooting for a recession because they would rather see everybody in the nation suffer economic hardship than see their own power base lessen.
Yes, and you are just giggling in total glee over the possibility, aren't you?

I am a bit disgusted, though not surprised, that liberals/Democrats are rooting for a recession because they would rather see everybody in the nation suffer economic hardship than see their own power base lessen.


To that I say

Just kidding I am not laughing at Trump. Coocookachoo!
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
To that I say

Just kidding I am not laughing at Trump. Coocookachoo!

No. I don't suppose you are laughing AT him. And the Democrat position on a possible recession (and I have seen the unholy glee exhibited by the media at the mere possibility of one) makes about as much sense as that song. None.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
No. I don't suppose you are laughing AT him. And the Democrat position on a possible recession (and I have seen the unholy glee exhibited by the media at the mere possibility of one) makes about as much sense as that song. None.

Just as much sense as Trump running around in his grounds saying I am the chosen one then claiming its joke.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
No. I don't suppose you are laughing AT him. And the Democrat position on a possible recession (and I have seen the unholy glee exhibited by the media at the mere possibility of one) makes about as much sense as that song. None.

Just as much sense as Trump running around in his grounds saying I am the chosen one then claiming its joke.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Why didn't he say " I am the walrus instead of i am the chosen one? " it wouldve been just as funny!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Social Security was, back in the early sixties, not only solvent, but actually doing very, very well. Making a profit from investments, actually. Johnson (remember Johnson...the DEMOCRAT?) stole all the funds, putting them in the general fund, to support the VietNam war, which he, very personally, escalated HUGELY. In fact, we can, with some real basis, say that he started it. Social Security has been the 'go to' financial piggy bank ever since, almost 100% by Democrats.

For Democrats and socialists to complain about it and blame Republicans is as asinine as having them call REpublicans 'racist,' when the KKK was the military arm of the Democratic Party, when it was a REPUBLICAN executive branch and conservative judges which got rid of Plessy V Ferguson (which was, if anybody cares, mostly supported by Democrats, who passed the Jim Crow laws) and got rid of public and school segregation, and it was DEMOCRATS who most violently opposed that desegregation.

But if there is one thing the Democrats seem to be extremely good at, it's "The Big Lie," getting people to believe the precise opposite of the truth.
The Social Security System never had any money in it.
It has always gone into & come out of the general fund.
How does the Social Security system work?
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
The Social Security System never had any money in it.
It has always gone into & come out of the general fund.
How does the Social Security system work?

That article does not say that the money goes into the general fund, m'friend.

In fact, here...Social Security History you will see that Social Security was placed in a Trust Fund, NOT the general fund, and was 'off budget.' The Trustee could invest in three different kinds of bonds.

.....and did very well.

However, Johnson took the Social Security trust fund and placed it 'on budget,' thus putting it in the general fund for all intents and purposes. Then he raided it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That article does not say that the money goes into the general fund, m'friend.

In fact, here...Social Security History you will see that Social Security was placed in a Trust Fund, NOT the general fund, and was 'off budget.' The Trustee could invest in three different kinds of bonds.

.....and did very well.

However, Johnson took the Social Security trust fund and placed it 'on budget,' thus putting it in the general fund for all intents and purposes. Then he raided it.
Here is more info on how it functions....
How Is the Social Security Trust Fund Invested?
Notice that the trust fund consists solely of fed gov securities.
IOW gov invests in its own securities, & then spends the money
it paid itself. This sure doesn't constitute a "trust fund" IMO.

If I'd set up such a trust fund for clients, I'd be put in prison
faster than you could say "And Bob's yer uncle.".
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
This article and CNN says we actually had a half million jobs less then what was reported as jobs that were counted when we thought Trump was crating jobs. This never happens unless we are in a recession

U.S. created 501,000 fewer jobs since 2018 than previously reported, new figures show
'
Saw this earlier, maybe that can explain a bit of it, so while some might get jobs others looses them. Also one have to take into account that its not only about number of jobs. Governments in general are very good at "manipulating" numbers, so they show something that they ain't. So for instance, you might hear that a lot of jobs are created etc. But rarely they mentioned exactly what jobs they are or of which quality. If a lot of jobs are created, but that they are without healthcare plans or other social security things (Not sure what you have in the US), or if the salary is lower etc. Then its very easy to get fooled purely by numbers. And as far as I have heard (You might want to examine this further) is that the job quality is in fact falling. So those jobs that are available are worse compared to what they were before the economic crisis, this is obviously for the average person and the poorest, the riches are doing better than ever..... as always.

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Perhaps not in your opinion, but it still worked quite well until Johnson put it 'on-budget'.
It worked because its a Ponzi-like scheme.
There is no money in SS. There are only government IOUs (securities).
When first implemented, workers paid in, but none were yet eligible for benefits.
The system was solvent.
That relationship has been slowly inverting over time.
And every President I've watched has increased the deficit, thereby putting SS bennies at risk.
I started collecting ASAP because I expected benefit reductions, eg, limiting by means testing.
 
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dianaiad

Well-Known Member
It worked because its a Ponzi-like scheme.
There is no money in SS. There are only government IOUs (securities).
When first implemented, workers paid in, but none were yet eligible for benefits.
The system was solvent.
That relationship has been slowly inverting over time.
And every President I've watched has increased the deficit, thereby putting SS bennies at risk.
I started collecting ASAP because I expected benefit reductions, eg, limiting by means testing.

Well, that hasn't happened yet, though SS HAS been altered by age...that is, I didn't get the whole of the SS I was due until I was 67, and I believe that others might have to wait longer. I had to do the 'early' thing with a smaller monthly payment because I was diagnosed with a 'terminal disease' when I was 64 (please note; I'm still here, six and a half years later). Because of my work history and being a single mother...never mind all that...all I have is a very small check from my husband's work and SS. I had no choice.

Now it seems fairly obvious that I'm not going to be around when SS collapses completely, but my children certainly aren't depending on it.

The biggest question for me is...I know who *I* blame for the whole mess.

And I'm sick to death of the 'other side' blaming capitalists and Republicans for it.
 
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