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Jesus and Pantheism

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
All theology is a human construct.
i'm not a believer. i'm not an agnostic. i'm a gnostic. aham brahmasmi


and when i found I AM then all will be.


nataraja dances in my heart. the Lord is with me.




 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
then god is divided and there is some other. duality


god's kingdom will never be exalted in the earth

Psalm 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

nor will god's kingdom come be established in the earth

Rev 21:1-Rev 21:3 KJV And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

you have assigned god it's place as otherwise, elsewhere.

you are definitely panentheistic
No, because God is also imminent. God is present in creation. I think you’re confusing perfection with position. God is perfect; creation is very good. Creation can reflect God and show God; it cannot be God.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
i'm not a believer. i'm not an agnostic. i'm a gnostic. aham brahmasmi


and when i found I AM then all will be.


nataraja dances in my heart. the Lord is with me.




Great for you. But it’s still a human construct.
In my understanding, all humanity is being brought into right relationship with the Divine.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Great for you. But it’s still a human construct.
In my understanding, all humanity is being brought into right relationship with the Divine.


that can't happen when god is otherwise, and not omnipresent. that god is above it all and never shall the twain meet.


"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."


people create differences out of their own minds and believe them to be absolutely true.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No, because God is also imminent. God is present in creation. I think you’re confusing perfection with position. God is perfect; creation is very good. Creation can reflect God and show God; it cannot be God.


only love is perfect. only love covers all sins


proverbs 10:12


deuteronomy 30:6


behold i make all things new


ezekiel 11:19

ezekiel 36:26

revelation 2:17
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
that can't happen when god is otherwise, and not omnipresent. that god is above it all and never shall the twain meet.


"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."


people create differences out of their own minds and believe them to be absolutely true.
You’re missing my point. This isn’t about position.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
only love is perfect. only love covers all sins


proverbs 10:12


deuteronomy 30:6


behold i make all things new


ezekiel 11:19

ezekiel 36:26

revelation 2:17
God is love. We are created in, through, and for love. Love is what right relationship is.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
You’re missing my point. This isn’t about position.
there is not position except when something is above/below something.


the omnipresence of god is neither here vs there but is everywhere

it has nothing to do with spacial position

nor is god past or future but everpresent here and NOW.


time and space are an illusion that love transcends
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
there is not position except when something is above/below something.


the omnipresence of god is neither here vs there but is everywhere

it has nothing to do with spacial position

nor is god past or future but everpresent here and NOW.


time and space are an illusion that love transcends
Then why do you keep insisting that I’m saying God is somewhere else?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That doesn't mean 'against', you're putting a meaning there, where it isn't inferred.
they are contrasted and objects. the bibles states emphatically that god is not a man


Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


how do binitarians twist that one?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
they are contrasted and objects. the bibles states emphatically that god is not a man


Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


how do binitarians twist that one?
Who said that God was a man?

If you mean jesus, that would be the 'over-self', the Lord. Not a man.

Now, in christian context, the nature of this makes a man, god, however it isn't directional, going the other way.

we could say that you are talking about a certain type of Catholic belief? I don't know, however that wouldn't even match standard Christianity.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
No, because God is also imminent. God is present in creation. I think you’re confusing perfection with position. God is perfect; creation is very good. Creation can reflect God and show God; it cannot be God.
Imminence and presence stand in contrast.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Who said that God was a man?

If you mean jesus, that would be the 'over-self', the Lord. Not a man.

Now, in christian context, the nature of this makes a man, god, however it isn't directional, going the other way.

we could say that you are talking about a certain type of Catholic belief? I don't know, however that wouldn't even match standard Christianity.
all things are god. thus the name at exodus 3:14
 
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