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Jesus and Pantheism

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
See, all being one in Christ is different than all things being Christ. As I said, it's a subtle and not always crystal clear demarcation. God's presence can be in a tree, but the tree is not, itself, God.
the quote states that all things are christ an christ is in all

doesn't get more absolute than that.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
See, all being one in Christ is different than all things being Christ. As I said, it's a subtle and not always crystal clear demarcation. God's presence can be in a tree, but the tree is not, itself, God.
colossians three 11 says it is god.


christ is all

and


christ is in all
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Yeah, good point.

Seems specific, though, ie it isn't 'everything' like in usual description of pantheism.

Now, how I interpret these verses, by, and in,

Is because God isn't completely like us. His god nature is different, in other words. That's why He is a separate being, and not pantheism.

The construct is the sameness, that isn't God, in other words.
• that being said, these verses match my theistic etc belief, as opposed to 'telling me that'..
Thats how I can explain that, i already know what it means.

By the way, this is what, "theism for atheists' means, theism without faith. I presented that a while back, however its a bit advanced for these types of discussions and forum interaction..

Good finds though.
you created god as separated by your statement. the bible doesn't state god is separate. you have limited god to "your" self and other self.


Jeremiah 23:24
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
More like Jesus was a panentheist. Pantheism identifies God and world. Jesus, on the other hand - as in panENtheism - saw God both in the world and outside the world. He saw God as being both "here" (immanent) and "more than here" (transcendent) - which is the essence of panENtheism.
god cannot be transcendent. that would be god separated from itself in some aspect, God is ONE.


panentheism is dualism
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
you created god as separated by your statement. the bible doesn't state god is separate. you have limited god to "your" self and other self.


Jeremiah 23:24
That's interpretational. Pantheism isn't traditional for Biblical belief, for a reason.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
You might argue that our 'god' is different, in other words, you are using texts in a certain format, therefore this is merely 'different god beliefs'.
Which although true, Biblical religion isn't traditionally pantheistic, and, it isn't pantheistic for a reason.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But yet not all are Christ.
yes, not all recognize they are christ. not all are of the same mind, or at least don't believe they are.

that is what the name implies. the name that one is immersed into spiritually, mentally
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
yes, not all recognize they are christ. not all are of the same mind, or at least don't believe they are.

that is what the name implies. the name that one is immersed into spiritually, mentally
Nor is everyone Jesus. I think you’re stretching the theology to be something it just isn’t.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
god cannot be transcendent. that would be god separated from itself in some aspect, God is ONE.


panentheism is dualism
God is one 'god', not 'everything'. In other words, you haven't got the right ideas, because you are trying fo figure that out, using a faulty premise.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?




John 14:10

or

Luke 17:21
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?




John 14:10

or

Luke 17:21
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?

I think every reference to him being God in the new testament was a true referral to the belief in the inner Godself, its new age beliefe and I agree with it!




John 14:10

or

Luke 17:21
was jesus a pantheist; when he claimed the Father was in him, or the kingdom of God came from within?




John 14:10

or

Luke 17:21
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
transcendence literally means above something. god isn't above as explained by the bible. god is everywhere
God is described in several different ways in the Bible, depending on the book and the intended audience. There’s a place where God was described as not found in the earthquake or the windstorm. Biblically, God is described as both transcendent and imminent. God is described as both particular and nowhere.
 
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