Proof that God isn't satan, or Lucifer.

[Desert Snake]

Many arguments propose that either the Bible directly says, or infers, that God, is actually satan, or lucifer.

However, the Bible tells us otherwise.
Matthew 12
Matthew 12:26
'Kingdom of satan'

Thusly there are two Kingdoms being referred to, in these verses. One, the Kingdom of God, the other, the Kingdom of satan.

[Satans name in hebrew does not seem to vary from 'satan' so we can just use that, without further delineation.
Now, since Lucifer, is usually considered to be the fallen angel, He'lel, or Ha'lal, we thusly have three different references to kingdoms.
•
The Kingdom of God

The kingdom of Satan
•
The kingdom of Ha'lal, הילל, [Lucifer

》

This is why JHVH, can't be 'satan', or Lucifer. They are different beings, with different kingdoms.

 

[Desert Snake]

There is basically no way to configure this, that God, is satan, or Lucifer, regardless of whether satan and Lucifer are one being.
So, as noted in scripture [Christian context,

Kingdom of God
Kingdom of Jesus
Kingdom of Heaven.

•

None of these match :
Kingdom of Ha'lal, הילל, [Lucifer
Kingdom of satan

 

[susanblange]

Many arguments propose that either the Bible directly says, or infers, that God, is actually satan, or lucifer.

However, the Bible tells us otherwise.
Matthew 12
Matthew 12:26
'Kingdom of satan'

Thusly there are two Kingdoms being referred to, in these verses. One, the Kingdom of God, the other, the Kingdom of satan.

[Satans name in hebrew does not seem to vary from 'satan' so we can just use that, without further delineation.
Now, since Lucifer, is usually considered to be the fallen angel, He'lel, or Ha'lal, we thusly have three different references to kingdoms.
•
The Kingdom of God

The kingdom of Satan
•
The kingdom of Ha'lal, הילל, [Lucifer

》

This is why JHVH, can't be 'satan', or Lucifer. They are different beings, with different kingdoms.

Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit Messiah. He is the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14. Lucifer means "morning star" and that is who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. Jesus has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated and this time he will die by busting into flames. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Adam the serpent is Satan. He has also been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated as the biological father of the Messiah. Adam was the son of God and he's the only one who genetically bring Messiah/God into the world. Adam's and Jesus' names were changed when they died and went to Heaven. God is coming to establish the Kingdom of God in the earth. Christians will call him "Antichrist" and have him executed. This Kingdom will be characterized by world peace, justice, and righteousness and it will last forever. It's called "the perfect day". Proverbs 4:18.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Actually, nothing about any religion can be proved. We just do our best.

 

[crossfire]

The kingdom of god is within
2 Peter 1:19
19 So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Latin Vulgate:
II Petri 1:19 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:

 

[Desert Snake]

The kingdom of god is within
2 Peter 1:19
19 So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Latin Vulgate:
II Petri 1:19 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:

So, Jesus is supposed to be lucifer.

 

[crossfire]

So, Jesus is supposed to be lucifer.

You have to die before you rise, just as Jesus did. Helel in Isaiah 14 had to die, as well.

 

[crossfire]

Yeah, you need to be a mystical shaman before arguing with me, also.

Lots of 'need to's.'

However, ok.

lol!

 

[Desert Snake]

The kingdom of god is within
2 Peter 1:19
19 So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Latin Vulgate:
II Petri 1:19 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:

Jesus would be more similar to another god, but it's close enough for a theory.
The only concerning thing is that we now three languages represented, which because of word origins, can make things sketchy.

 

[Desert Snake]

Your religion, whether satanism or whatever, should be helping you on these things, and luciferians dont have that.

Its a problem

 

[crossfire]

Jesus would be more similar to another god, but it's close enough for a theory.
The omly concerning thing is that we now three languages represented, which because of word origins, can make things sketchy.

Hebrew: Helel
Latin: Lucifer
Greek: Phosophoros φωσφορος

 

[crossfire]

Your religion, whether satanism or whatever, should be helping you on these things, and luciferians dont have that.

Its a problem

I'm a Buddhist

 

[Desert Snake]

General problem with the occult, which is what makes it seem fake. But no matter

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm a Buddhist

Ah

 

[Desert Snake]

Hebrew: Helel
Latin: Lucifer
Greek: Phosophoros φωσφορος

That just means bright or shining one, though, right?

Its a general type word.
But it could be

 

[crossfire]

That just means bright or shining one, though, right?

Its a general type word.
But it could be

It specifically refers to the Morning Star.

 

[Desert Snake]

What's happening is that you start getting into more than one meaning or even theory, for a word.

In other words, things can get too theoretical.

 

[crossfire]

Let me tell you about the Morning Star in Buddhism: It means "medicine star."

Buddha became enlightened during the third watch of the night when he saw the Morning Star rise.

 

[Desert Snake]

It specifically refers to the Morning Star.

Ok. So that's the jewish gnosticism, so forth, they say is in certain books of the NT.

Again, I can go there, since clearly my religion doesn't parallel everything in the bible.

 

[crossfire]

Medicine star: Jesus was a healer.