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Environmentalism, Anti-Immigrantism, White Supremacism, & Terrorism....A Connection?

Shad

Veteran Member
There is a plethora of lies about antifa out there.

If you want one from just the last couple of days.

Prominent misinformation "journalist" Andy Ngo tweeted that "Antifa attacked people on a bus. They try to pull them out and hit them with a hammer."
This myth was spread wide and far by Ngo's far right fanbase.

However, looking at the actual evidence of the rally, we get a completely different story.

The Bus was being used by a group called "The American Guard" a far-right paramilitary group. The members of the paramilitary pulled an antifascist into the bus and then assaulted the member with a hammer. Other anti-fascists then pulled the assaulted person out of the bus, and tried to wrestle the weapon away from the fascists. All photo evidence corroborates this.

But, Andy Ngo does what far-right reporters do. They turn fascist violence into bad publicity for the left rather than honestly reporting on his buddies terrorist actions.

Antifa was throwing concrete blocks they brought themselves in pest control boxes. You are only hearing one side of the spin. Both groups came looking and armed for violence. Portland's mayor is weak.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Watch the video.
Some people threw clay or sandstone (absolutely not concrete lmao).
Then the nazi's pull in a protestor who was not throwing ""concrete"" at all and try to hit him with a hammer.

Try harder with your fascist apologia from now on.

Ohhhh, it was sandstone! That makes all the difference!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ohhhh, it was sandstone! That makes all the difference!
So many arguments here boil down to such insignificance.
Anything to wrest a gotcha win, eh.
There some posters alerts from whom I dread, knowing
that tedious quibbling & bickering awaits.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Its what I worry about so much like
the country is tearing itself apart
over, what?
I don't think there's any easy answer to that question. The bloodiest conflicts up to and including our civil war, where the tearing eachother apart took a much more literal tone, was strenuous disagreement on what was important. As is usually the case, it became about protecting the assets of the rich vs the rights of the poor and downtrodden.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ngo has somewhat of a fetish for imaginary concrete.
Someone threw a milkshake? He'll claim it has quick dry cement in it (he doesn't know how quick dry cement works).
Someone throws rock at a metal bus? He'll claim antifascists threw concrete slabs at Fascists.
I too am a fan of correctly identifying masonry.
But we should still keep things in perspective.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Watch the video.
Some people threw clay or sandstone (absolutely not concrete lmao).
Then the nazi's pull in a protestor who was not throwing ""concrete"" at all and try to hit him with a hammer.

Try harder with your fascist apologia from now on.

I watched a video of an Antifa member takes concrete out of the traps and throw it at the bus in the video. I am pointing out both sides are violent. Normal citizens were taking the slabs away from larpers. I apologized for no one. Try again son. Less rhetoric and more reading next time. I said nothing about the hammer attack.

You are easily fooled by one side and are an ideologue that can not read what they respond to.

*Sandstone can still cave your skull in. You are an apologist for violence. Nothing more. Bunch of larpers fighting in gun control city not a place they can and will get shot.
 
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Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Interesting thing in the news...
Two mass murders a world apart share a common theme: 'ecofascism'
Excerpted....
Before the slaughter of dozens of people in Christchurch, New Zealand and El Paso, Texas this year, the accused gunmen took pains to explain their fury, including their hatred of immigrants. The statements that authorities think the men posted online share another obsession: overpopulation and environmental degradation.

The alleged Christchurch shooter, who is charged with targeting Muslims and killing 51 people in March, declared himself an "eco-fascist" and railed about immigrants' birthrates. The statement linked to the El Paso shooter, who is charged with killing 22 people in a shopping area earlier this month, bemoans water pollution, plastic waste and an American consumer culture that is "creating a massive burden for future generations."

The two mass shootings appear to be extreme examples of ecofascism - what Hampshire College professor emeriti Betsy Hartmann calls "the greening of hate."

Many white supremacists have latched onto environmental themes, drawing connections between the protection of nature and racial exclusion. These ideas have shown themselves to be particularly dangerous when adopted by unstable individuals prone to violence and convinced they must take drastic actions to stave off catastrophe.
If embracing a good cause can lead some people to do more good, then why can it not lead others to do more bad? If I support a good cause, then I can justify the extremes I have to go to in support of that cause.

I think it is a phenomenon of the extremes used to justify a position that is seen as maniacal by the rest of society.

Environmental reform as the side effect of extreme fascist racism is certainly conceivable. The German highway system and transportation benefited as a side effect to Nazi extremism. Though I am not suggesting that it was worth all the millions of lives that were lost. It is only noted as a side effect that had a positive result and not as justification for genocide.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh? Tell me a lie about antifa. And something good about
them.

I doubt enough people are anti (all) immigration for you
to be onto anything.

I am not white, and I am an immigrant. I came legally.
(and didnt even want to)

I am far from a white supremacy sort, but I am against
unlimited / unregulated / etc immigration.

ONE little detail in there, for example, is that we have
thousands of family members, and various others who
legally qualify for entrance, who wait years to finally get
a visa.

Meanwhile, at the southern border-

Is anyone unaware that US immigration law and
policy is insane, unjust and inhumane?

It isnt just "pro" and "anti" immigration.
Is antifa and anti-fascist the same thing? I am anti-fascist.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
If you dont consider defending your claim about antifa
worth defending, why make it?

ALSO, as I said, I dont think anyone but the barest
few would be against all immigration.

It isnt just "pro" and "anti" immigration.

A link between anti-immigration and white supremacy? Now you're onto something.

In the sense that there is a link between being human
and being anti immigration, sure.

Are you for 100% open free immigration, come one,
come all?

Coz if not...?
I think there is a difference between being in favor of reasonable immigration and views that are completely intolerant of immigration on the basis of ethnicity. You can be for limited immigration for many practical reasons of economics, security, the environment, and even the logistics of the care and housing new arrivals. Limited does not mean none, but it does not have to mean all either. No matter how hard you try, you cannot get 10 pounds of corn into a 5 pound bag.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
It has everything to do with race.
Look at how each person is half black & half white (rather Star Trekkie, eh).
But in the camera view screen, only the black halves are shown.

I have decades more experience watching cartoons than do you.
Let this be your last battlefield was the first thing that came to my mind too. That's weird.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
You're the only person who is claiming it's about race when it clearly isn't. I've seen that image a few times before and no one has ever mentioned race in regards to it.
The graphic is mostly about perspective and how a narrow focus or narrowing the focus can be used to misrepresent what is actually happening. Since there is no caption we do not know who the figures represent and any individual or group could be substituted into the roles.

With my imagination, I can see the figures as approximating twisted swastikas. Perhaps they are both fascist and engaged in violence because that is what fascist love to do. Maybe it is a fascist utopia where they have killed off everyone they hate and only have each other to kill.

In other words, just the image itself is open to wider interpretation outside of the main point about perspective and manipulation of it.
 
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