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Racial GUILT!

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
This is because white culture dominates the media landscape as it is. Remember that for African Americans they cannot point to a specific culture other than African American due to being taken from their homeland, having their religion and language and other cultural elements stripped from then, and then bred for more slaves or raped. Their history here has been defined by the color or their skin. White Americans can, for the most part, trace our lineage and we do celebrate Irish pride, Scottish pride, German pride, Greek pride, etc. With nary a racist condemnation.

So African Americans should feel free to have Black pride and media.

Finally someone gets it. If you are white, you're the only one I know who has verbally stated this fact.
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
Every time anybody is part white, they got slave raped , 20 claims you hear, well, hold on. Likely , post-slavery, or during the "freedom" desperation desparate measures. Most likely, outsiders nobody knows coming into that plantation system, which makes it a regular racist rape, thirdly or people actually know each other covering up something finally. I've only seen in-person European prides whatsoever, Teddy Roosevelt won on the hyphen-American thing, with white americans. Besides that means blacks would only get one word, like bonnie, or Oktoberfest, c'est la vie , what do irish got ,I beat you on Patrick's day.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
just acknowledge that Americans have a shared history related to racism, xenophobia, and imperialism that has destroyed cultures.
A lot of Americans legitimately didn't. A good chunk of Americans had their own cultures entirely erased or nearly obliterated due to the wars brought on them by Uncle Sam. Some have never known their culture because Uncle Sam allowed it. And even socially, many Americans have been on the receiving end of xenophobia.
American "shared history" is that one way or another, we got here and become American. From there it varies. A lot.
 

Oeste

Well-Known Member
Dude it is history. Read the link*. Anthony Johnson was a former slave that became one of the first black land owners in America. Read the case. Initially the supreme court sided with his slave at the time. Ruling that an indentured servants child was not the property of the master. Johnson appealed it and won making chattel slavery officially legal in the colonies.

I did read it and it doesn't uphold your fallacious claim whatsoever. Let's look at this spurious assertion again:

Did you know it was an African American man that made slavery legal in the U.S.? Before then it wasn't legal or illegal. Anthony Johnson (colonist) - Wikipedia

How on earth did an African American man make slavery legal in the US when it was an all white Supreme Court that made the decision based on a body of law drafted and promulgated by an all white legislature???

Is this a little "fact" you want to sail over our heads?

Quite simply, plaintiffs do not make law in the US. Neither do defendants. They never have. It's why we have legislative bodies. They make the law. We also have courts. They interpret the law.

Before then it wasn't legal or illegal. Anthony Johnson (colonist) - Wikipedia

:facepalm:


While I, @Epic Beard Man and others get their popcorn, kindly tell us why you believe it was Anthony Johnson who "made slavery legal in the US" and not John Punch, who was mentioned in the very same link you gave us, and sentenced years before into a lifetime of servitude to Hugh Gwyn for running away while the two white men who escaped with him, described as Dutch and a Scotsman, were not.

Did you not "*Read the link"?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
How on earth did an African American man make slavery legal in the US when it was an all white Supreme Court that made the decision based on a body of law drafted and promulgated by an all white legislature???

Is this a little "fact" you want to sail over our heads?

Quite simply, plaintiffs do not make law in the US. Neither do defendants. They never have. It's why we have legislative bodies. They make the law. We also have courts. They interpret the law.

I mostly agree with what you're saying here, except that there was no Supreme Court at that time, or even a United States. Anthony Johnson died in 1670, more than a century before America even came into existence.

:facepalm:


While I, @Epic Beard Man and others get their popcorn, kindly tell us why you believe it was Anthony Johnson who "made slavery legal in the US" and not John Punch, who was mentioned in the very same link you gave us, and sentenced years before into a lifetime of servitude to Hugh Gwyn for running away while the two white men who escaped with him, described as Dutch and a Scotsman, were not.

Did you not "*Read the link"?

I think some mention should be given to Bacon's Rebellion in 1676: Bacon's Rebellion - Wikipedia

It was the first rebellion in the American colonies in which discontented frontiersmen took part (a somewhat similar uprising in Maryland involving John Coode and Josias Fendall took place shortly afterwards). The alliance between European indentured servants and Africans (many enslaved until death or freed), united by their bond-servitude, disturbed the ruling class. The ruling class responded by hardening the racial caste of slavery in an attempt to divide the two races from subsequent united uprisings with the passage of the Virginia Slave Codes of 1705.[4][5][6]


This would suggest that race-based slavery and institutional racism were contrived in order to keep blacks and whites at odds with each other, in order to keep the white wealthy classes on top. Again, this was done generations before America even existed as an independent nation, so the Supreme Court had nothing to do with it. The system had already been long-established by the time of the Revolution.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
A lot of Americans legitimately didn't. A good chunk of Americans had their own cultures entirely erased or nearly obliterated due to the wars brought on them by Uncle Sam. Some have never known their culture because Uncle Sam allowed it. And even socially, many Americans have been on the receiving end of xenophobia.
American "shared history" is that one way or another, we got here and become American. From there it varies. A lot.

This is true, and I did not mean to downplay the negative experiences of other cultures lost in American imperialism. My point was that there is a significant difference between "white" pride and "black" pride in America: white pride has a tinge of racism, especially these days when white supremacy is surging again, but often in less than obvious ways. Those who are proud of their European culture have other outlets without the racist tones.

For African Americans, their cultural identity was stripped from them centuries ago, even at the genetic level through slave breeding and rape, based on the color of their skin. Their cultural identity as Americans is informed by race. To be proud of this is to rise above the efforts made (even in our lifetimes) to disenfranchise them based on skin color.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is true, and I did not mean to downplay the negative experiences of other cultures lost in American imperialism. My point was that there is a significant difference between "white" pride and "black" pride in America: white pride has a tinge of racism, especially these days when white supremacy is surging again, but often in less than obvious ways. Those who are proud of their European culture have other outlets without the racist tones.

For African Americans, their cultural identity was stripped from them centuries ago, even at the genetic level through slave breeding and rape, based on the color of their skin. Their cultural identity as Americans is informed by race. To be proud of this is to rise above the efforts made (even in our lifetimes) to disenfranchise them based on skin color.

One might also ask whether or not there's any pressing need to have a "cultural outlet" at all. For example, a lot of Europeans came to America but were often pressured to assimilate to the Anglo-American culture which was prevalent from the very beginning. Voluntary or not, they gave up their ancestral language, changed their clothing styles, oftentimes changed their names (as some of my ancestors did) to make them sound more "Americanized."

Culturally, I probably have more in common with an African-American living in the US than I would with the typical German living in Germany. This is probably true for a lot of white Americans who are, more or less, assimilated "mutts" compared to their European counterparts. A person who is a mixture of French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Irish, and Native American has no specific culture one can identify with - other than "American culture."

But then there are those who say that there is no such thing as "American culture," so where does that leave those who don't have a "native culture" to call their own?
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
This is all utility for those people Stevicus. Woodrow Wilson set about really caring about the "American". Baseball is a native sport. Puritanism a native religion. They got the "Scarlet Letter". Immigration to a "Country" that has "Immigration" to "immigrate" to and not "colonize" is from the 1840's. Edgar Allen Poe's "The Raven" as a touchstone to counterpieces like Listen to the Mockingbird and Lorena.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
One might also ask whether or not there's any pressing need to have a "cultural outlet" at all. For example, a lot of Europeans came to America but were often pressured to assimilate to the Anglo-American culture which was prevalent from the very beginning. Voluntary or not, they gave up their ancestral language, changed their clothing styles, oftentimes changed their names (as some of my ancestors did) to make them sound more "Americanized."

Culturally, I probably have more in common with an African-American living in the US than I would with the typical German living in Germany. This is probably true for a lot of white Americans who are, more or less, assimilated "mutts" compared to their European counterparts. A person who is a mixture of French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Irish, and Native American has no specific culture one can identify with - other than "American culture."

But then there are those who say that there is no such thing as "American culture," so where does that leave those who don't have a "native culture" to call their own?

I can foresee a time when the concept of "race" is obsolete. It really should be. Culture is more diverse than our genetics. Unfortunately, we are in a time period where racial tensions are still around and folks still can't get over the color of someone's skin.

There is a uniquely American culture, and it is fairly contextualized by our history of race. Beyond our current discussion of African Americans, Native Americans are still called a "conquered" race by some and must still fight stereotypes that deny the fact they have and have had diverse and sophisticated cultures.

So for those folks still in the limbo of having cultures stripped from them and still face oppression and physical danger, having pride in what ultimately is a focal point for bigotry is a way to rise above it.
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
You're the majority opinion, but, Man, America is the Only place so extremist Already about no race. Every Nation of Europe revolves around a race, the meaning of Nation. Most other places are races, they don't care about these problems. Filter everything through skill-based selection, and open-gate immigration here, the Japanese didn't do better than Koreans when they 'immigrate' 3 million Japanese to fill discriminatory positions, to replace all land ownership from Koreans. That'll happen here. I don't believe in it. Some insane reliance about people will come here to do our menial jobs and keep their heads down. American Dream crap, set up Americanized unobtainable role models.
 
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