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Donald Trump And His Struggle With Alzheimer's?

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
That's not splitting hairs, and culturally stuff like that makes a very big difference to some (think Chinese born Chinese and American born Chinese).

4 months

He was born 4 months after they moved to the U.S. from Germany.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
He was born In USA, what part of that do you not comprehend, Trump said he was born in Germany
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
4 months

He was born 4 months after they moved to the U.S. from Germany.
Which means he was born in America, not Germany. I only lived in Missouri for a few months after my birth, but my birth certificate says Missouri, not Indiana, where thus far I've spent most my life.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You do realize, do you not, that I didn't write the piece. That said, there's something darn frightening going on in Trump's noggin, and if it isn't Alzheimer's it's something just as scary.

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There are plenty of scary things in Trump's head - xenophobia, disrespect for the law, disrespect for human rights, selfishness, etc. - but trying to diagnose a psychiatric condition by someone's TV appearances is never going to be valid.

And consider something else that's happening: as time goes on:

- Trump is getting more and more confident.
- Trump's growing more and more distrustful of his staff (because of leaks, the Mueller investigation, etc.).
- Trump's competent and experienced advisors - who might have had the skill set to talk him down - keep on leaving and being replaced with less and less competent yes-people.

All this means that:

- those around Trump are now less capable of managing him.
- Trump is less willing to be managed.

I'd bet that at the start of his term, Trump was better at just reading the teleprompter. He was generally coherent because he was reading someone else's words. These days, I think he's much more likely to go off-script in a speech, so now we see more of what was hidden in the past.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
He was born In USA, what part of that do you not comprehend, Trump said he was born in Germany

It is a bit odd that Trump cannot remember where his father was born. I guess no Trumpette will accept the Alzheimer's claim until Trump cannot remember where he was born.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Which means he was born in America, not Germany. I only lived in Missouri for a few months after my birth, but my birth certificate says Missouri, not Indiana, where thus far I've spent most my life.

Splitting hairs over 4 months when you consider they are accusing him of dementia over it.

Had his Grandfather lived here for 20 years then had his father in the U.S. sure.

4 months, the author is being intentionally obtuse.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Splitting hairs over 4 months when you consider they are accusing him of dementia over it.
Its still curious that he got it wrong. Does he simply just spew crap because he knows his supporters will fully believe it? Or is he losing it?
Its not splitting hairs. It's concerning the factual place of birth of Trump's father, and that Trump placed his American born German father as having been born in Germany.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Are you able to think for yourself, or is it all Trump????

John 8 44-45

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Its still curious that he got it wrong. Does he simply just spew crap because he knows his supporters will fully believe it? Or is he losing it?
Its not splitting hairs. It's concerning the factual place of birth of Trump's father, and that Trump placed his American born German father as having been born in Germany.

It is splitting hairs, its childish, petty, nonsense.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Splitting hairs over 4 months when you consider they are accusing him of dementia over it.

Had his Grandfather lived here for 20 years then had his father in the U.S. sure.

4 months, the author is being intentionally obtuse.
Does that work both ways? If someone comes to the U.S. at the age of 4 months or less, can they just say they were born in the U.S.? I mean it is close enough, why split hairs?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
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An opinion piece by By Michael D'Antonio

"Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate

It's not just that President Donald Trump has been spouting nonsense at a greater rate, although he is. What's new is that his false statements are becoming more bizarre. He said this week, for example, that his Bronx-native father was born in Germany. And they are accompanied by other displays of apparent cognitive distress. Among the glaring examples:

Last month, the President of the United States looked at Apple executive Tim Cook, one of the most important business leaders in the world, and called him Tim Apple.

A few days earlier at a conservative conference where he literally hugged a flag, Trump ditched his script and rambled for two mostly incoherent hours. He mixed mockery, profanity and grandiosity in a style more suited to a barstool than a podium decorated with the presidential seal.

In an Oval Office encounter with reporters this week, he repeatedly used the word "oranges" instead of "origins" to demand an investigation into the beginnings of the independent counsel's probe of Russian influence in the 2016 election.

Bizarrely, he told a GOP fundraiser audience that "they say" the sound created by energy-producing windmills "causes cancer."
In any family, a 72-year-old man who spoke this way would be the subject of urgent discussions. Trump's trouble accessing words, summoning long-term memories, and naming a famous man in front of him could indicate mental deterioration. Add the crazy talk about windmills and cancer, coming from the leader of the free world, and you get a situation that ought to alarm everyone.

This situation is complicated by Trump's long and deep record of lying to suit his purpose. For decades, he made excessive claims about his wealth and abilities and the ratings for his reality TV show. Fantastic claims became his self-serving stock in trade. As a politician, Trump transferred this deceptive method into the political landscape -- call it his lie-scape -- and picked up the pace of the falsehoods.

Trump's record makes it hard to pick out trends. Sometimes he seems to exaggerate and distort for effect. At other moments, it seems he believes the crazy stuff he says. But it is possible to evaluate a public figure's speech patterns and make objective observations.

In 2017, Stat News, the health news website, asked experts in neurolinguistics and cognitive assessment, psychologists and psychiatrists to review his past and recent speech and found evidence of decline from his younger days.

In interviews in the 1980s and '90s, according to Stat News, Trump "spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print."

More recently, noted Stat, "Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one." When shown examples of the two Trumps, experts saw symptoms that "can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease."

If Trump were a private citizen, his condition wouldn't matter to anyone outside a close circle. He would be evaluated, his father's Alzheimer's disease might be noted as a red flag, and, one hopes, he would get the help he needs. But Trump is the most powerful person in the world and can do great harm with what he says.

In a flurry of tweets Tuesday, Trump mangled the facts of Puerto Rico's hurricane recovery effort, suggesting the island has received $91 billion in relief money. (The correct figure is $11.2 billion; $91 billion is how much the federal government may disburse to Puerto Rico over the next two decades). He also planted the canard that somehow mainland farmers are being exploited in the equation. "Cannot continue to hurt our Farmers and States with these massive payments, and so little appreciation!" wrote Trump

The Puerto Rico misstatements are so egregious that one hopes they could be blamed on a mind in decline. The alternative holds that Trump was lying and that he is an intentionally divisive and destructive leader of truly bad character who demonizes one set of constituents to stir resentment among another.

For Americans who are subject to Trump's rhetoric, the most alarming element may be what it does to us. Leaders and those they lead exist in a dynamic relationship. A president's words and gestures can both inspire and terrify. The talk coming from this President is frightening, destabilizing and bewildering. We don't want to think that the man in the Oval Office is unfit, but when he repeatedly shows us the evidence, how can we draw another conclusion?
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Anyone have an island country they'd like sell? I've got a buyer.

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Armchair diagnosis are considered unethical.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
So, just what ethical standard do they breach?

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Making a diagnosis without examining the patient in person and having their medical records. That is a breach of methods. To put in out in public is unethical as methods were not followed yet a conclusion is paraded around as if it means anything. It is also an argument from authority. Hence why you made this post.

Multiple medical organization refrain from doing this and warn their members not to. Think about it. Look up the Goldwater rule.

https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/08/the-goldwater-rule
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
Making a diagnosis without examining the patient in person and having their medical records. That is a breach of methods. To put in out in public is unethical as methods were not followed yet a conclusion is paraded around as if it means anything. It is also an argument from authority. Hence why you made this post.

Multiple medical organization refrain from doing this and warn their members not to. Think about it. Look up the Goldwater rule.

https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/08/the-goldwater-rule
Evidently I missed the diagnosis because all I saw were examples of behavior.

Exactly what was Trump diagnosed with?


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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Making a diagnosis without examining the patient in person and having their medical records. That is a breach of methods. To put in out in public is unethical as methods were not followed yet a conclusion is paraded around as if it means anything. It is also an argument from authority. Hence why you made this post.

Multiple medical organization refrain from doing this and warn their members not to. Think about it. Look up the Goldwater rule.

https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/08/the-goldwater-rule
It's not necessarily unethical for a layperson to muse about whether a public figure has a psychiatric condition. Useless, probably, but not necessarily unethical.

It's unethical for a mental health professional to do it because:

- it violates the professional's obligation of confidentiality.
- other people, knowing that the person is a mental health professional, will tend to rely on the opinion of the professional.

Neither of these issues apply to a layperson.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It's not necessarily unethical for a layperson to muse about whether a public figure has a psychiatric condition. Useless, probably, but not necessarily unethical.

It's unethical for a mental health professional to do it because:

- it violates the professional's obligation of confidentiality.
- other people, knowing that the person is a mental health professional, will tend to rely on the opinion of the professional.

Neither of these issues apply to a layperson.

Ergo the opinion is garbage as a layman is making it that has no qualification to make such a conclusion. Yet someone made the thread as if this opinion means anything.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Look at the OP title and try again.
Okay.

"Donald Trump And His Struggle With Alzheimer's?"

Know what a question mark means?


ques·tion mark
/ˈkwesCHən ˌmärk/
noun
noun: question mark; plural noun: question marks; noun: questionmark; plural noun: questionmarks
a punctuation mark (?) indicating a question.
used to express doubt or uncertainty about something.

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