MJFlores
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You are confusing the idea of 'person' by placing today's concept back into the Trinitarian doctrine.
No confusion done. I said persons, you said it also.
The trinity dogma are written like this:
The dogma of the Trinity
The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.
Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.
In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom (To Autolycus II.15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (On Pudicity 21). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen ("In Ps. xvii", 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen's pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus.P
For the original texts please refer to CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Trinity
It is my position that the Trinity is NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES and INVENTED.
The 'three Persons' who exist in God are the reality of word and love in their attachment to each other. They are not substances, personalities in the modern sense, but the relatedness whose pure actuality does not impair the unity of the highest being but fills it out.
The Confusing Doctrine about God
Apostle Paul also said that these people teaching “a different gospel” are “throwing you into confusion.” Thus, the “different gospel” that according to Apostle Paul must be eternally condemned is also "a very confusing doctrine." How confusing is the doctrine about the Trinity? Another Catholic book titles, The Faith Explained” has this to say:
“One such truth is the fact that though there is only one God ,yet in that one God there are three divine Persons – the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. There is only one divine nature, but there are three divine Persons…So when we try to think of God as Three Persons possessing one and the same nature, we find ourselves batting our head against the ceiling.” [Trese, Leo J. The Faith Explained. Nihil Obstat: Louis J. Putz, C.S.C., University of Notre Dame. Imprimatur: Leo A. Pursley, D.D. Bishop of Fort Wayne, Notre Dame, Indiana. USA: Fides Publishers Inc.,1969, pp. 25-26.]
This is a Catholic book written by a Catholic and approved by Catholic authorities. The book said, “So when we try to think of God as Three Persons possessing one and the same nature, we find ourselves batting our head against the ceiling” (Emphasis mine). This book also admits that no one will understand the doctrine of the Trinity even the greatest theologian:
“We are dealing a mystery of faith: no one, not even the greatest theologian, can hope in this life to really understand it. At best, there will merely be varying degrees of ignorance.” (Ibid., p. 29.)
Catholic authorities further admit that no one, not even the greatest theologian, can understand the doctrine of the Trinity because it's an absurdity:
“God, of course, cannot perform an absurdity, a contradiction in terms. He cannot, for instance, make two and two equal five.” (Walsh, John. This is Catholicism. New York: Image Book, 1959, p. 25)
'Father' is purely a concept of relationship. Only in being for the other is he Father. In his own being in himself he is simply God. Person is the pure relation of being related, nothing else. Relationship is not something extra added to the person, as it is with us; it only exists at all as relatedness.
Not Really A Gospel
Apostle Paul also said that the “different gospel” “is really no gospel at all.” Is the Trinity a gospel or “no gospel at all”?
“It cannot therefore be seriously maintained that the mystery of the Divine Trinity was clearly revealed in the Old Testament.” (Pohle, Joseph, Ph.D., D.D.. The Divine Trinity, A Dogmatic Treatise, p. 20.)
The author admits that they cannot seriously maintained that the doctrine that there are three persons in one God (the doctrine of the Trinity) was clearly revealed in the Old Testament. The reason of this admission is because the doctrine of the Trinity is not known before the advent of Christ:
“It is true that before the advent of Christ the Trinity of Persons was not known, not even to the inspired authors.” (Gratsch, Edward J. Principles of Catholic Theology, p. 50.)
How about in the New Testament? Can we found the word “Trinity” in the New Testament? This is the admission of another Catholic book:
“The word Trinity does not appear in the New testament and the meanings of the words persons and nature, in the precise senses and which these words are used to bear the message of God, had to be carefully refined to bear that message rightly. But what the New Testament teaches is in truth captured with care and reverence in the exact statements of the early councils of the Church.” (Lawler, Ronald, Wuerl, Donald, and Lawler, Thomas Comerfod. The Teaching of Christ: A Catholic Catechism for Adults, p. 177.)
Trinitarians clearly admit that the word "Trinity" and the formula ("that there are three persons in one God") cannot be found in the Bible. Thus, it is truly "not a gospel at all."
One opinion among many. The Imprimatur and Nihil Obstst does not signal agreement with the author, simply that a book is without heresy.
I believe it is your clergy who are fond of those fancy imprimaturs and nihil obstat
Imprimatur an official license by the Roman Catholic Church to print an ecclesiastical or religious book.
Nihil obstat (Latin for "nothing hinders" or "nothing stands in the way") is a declaration of no objection to an initiative or an appointment.
If you have an objection with the writings of your Bishops and Cardinals, well you should report these to the Roman Curia or the Pope. If not they are then they are official Roman Catholic teachings.