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What do you mean it isn't true? Sounds accurate to me.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Facial recognition technology: California lawmakers want to ban it in police body cameras - CNN

We're talkin socialist California politicians here!

Actually I'm all for body cameras on all police officers for obvious reasons.

Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho.

But for what it is, I'm against facial recognition technology in spite of all the positive results I am seeing in this particular case. ;O]

Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

What about you?
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
There seems to be a bit of conflating different issues here;

The question of the accuracy and inadvertent bias in facial recognition systems certainly needs addressing but certainly can be relatively easily. It should also be remembered that all sorts of flaws and bias exists in the systems and procedures those systems would replace or back-up. How they’re actually used is probably more significant, treating positive hits as someone requiring further checks rather than a definitively identified suspect/criminal.

The idea of this technology being used in body cameras doesn’t appear to have been proposed and sounds like something unnecessarily expensive. That makes me curious as to the inspiration and motivation behind the call for a specific ban. Is it based on some specific information, speculation or an unsupported fear? I’d also question what the extent of the ban would be. Are they only talking about facial recognition on the fly, automatically scanning and flagging up any kind of match to the officer? Would they object to the technology being applied after the fact? Say officers chase a suspect but they get away so the body camera footage is used to try to identify them, just as CCTV and any other recording might be.

The other issue I see is these specifically focused campaigns and outright calls for bans seem to drown out any rational discussion and debate over the use of this kind of technology in general, where the rights and wrongs, freedoms and requirements should fall. I mean, taken to the same extreme, wouldn’t this kind of argument lead to the banning of all recording in public places that we don’t explicitly consent to? You could even extend the logic to essentially ban police officers from identifying potential suspects based on written descriptions with their own eyes. I think that only sounds ridiculous because of a general fear of black-box technology (which for a lot of people, it pretty much all technology).
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Facial recognition technology: California lawmakers want to ban it in police body cameras - CNN

We're talkin socialist California politicians here!

Actually I'm all for body cameras on all police officers for obvious reasons.

Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho.

But for what it is, I'm against facial recognition technology in spite of all the positive results I am seeing in this particular case. ;O]

Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

What about you?

Well, it seems as if facial recognition technology is not quite all that it's cracked up to be, according to the article:

A picture of every California state legislator was run through a facial-recognition program that matches facial images to a database of 25,000 criminal mugshots, the American Civil Liberties Union of California (ACLU) said Tuesday in a statement.

The program falsely flagged 26 legislators as criminals, the ACLU said.
The ACLU announced the results of its test in pressing for passage of a bill to ban the technology in police body cameras.

"This experiment reinforces the fact that facial recognition software is not ready for prime time - let alone for use in body cameras worn by law enforcement," Assemblymember Phil Ting, whose photo was flagged as a match to a mugshot, said in the ACLU's statement.

So, this technology is not ready yet. They need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something that works, or else scrap it.

This is something that's always bothered me about the people who make and design software. They take money for a product that doesn't work, and they know it doesn't work. It seems that they're in such a hurry to get something out on the market that they release something that's full of bugs - which is why they have to do so many revisions and updates later on.

I think the message here is clear: Facial recognition software doesn't work, and it should not be implemented until it does work.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Facial recognition is accurate... (Ok let me finish) it is quite accurate in identifying a white guy. Female or none white it has major problems.

It needs to be fixed or scrapped.

That said, if it can be got working and you have nothing to hide then what is the problem? It helps catch the bad guy.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well, it seems as if facial recognition technology is not quite all that it's cracked up to be, according to the article:



So, this technology is not ready yet. They need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something that works, or else scrap it.

This is something that's always bothered me about the people who make and design software. They take money for a product that doesn't work, and they know it doesn't work. It seems that they're in such a hurry to get something out on the market that they release something that's full of bugs - which is why they have to do so many revisions and updates later on.

I think the message here is clear: Facial recognition software doesn't work, and it should not be implemented until it does work.
Personally I don't think it should be implemented at all in a free country at any time. Think of a clandestine database somewhere of people that somebody doesn't like. Political opponents maybe?

Remember the removal of Trump's name from the ballots by the very same people? What's going to stop them when facial recognition becomes viable. That would be a socialist Democrats wet dream .

For now, I'm on board to get rid of facial recognition technology. That is until the Socialists decide to turn back to the agendas they always like to Implement on people and suddenly turn favorite for facial recognition.

Save of course for themselves, who probably would gladly exempt themselves from such a technology.
 
Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho...

What's going to stop them when facial recognition becomes viable. That would be a socialist Democrats wet dream .

For now, I'm on board to get rid of facial recognition technology. That is until the Socialists decide to turn back to the agendas they always like to Implement on people and suddenly turn favorite for facial recognition.

Save of course for themselves, who probably would gladly exempt themselves from such a technology.

"I agree with the 'socialists', but I can't simply say this as it is emotionally important to me that they have to be wrong on 100% of issues rather than just some of them. They must therefore have some mendacious reasons for having the 'right' opinion on something. That I agree with them is further evidence of them being uniquely evil." :D
 
Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

Should also be banned for commercial purposes (shopping centres, advertising boards, etc.) where it can be used to build up customer profiles.

It should only be allowed in certain places where there is a clear security purpose such as airports
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have a solution!
Create a prosopagnosia virus to infect the facial recognition software.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Facial recognition is accurate... (Ok let me finish) it is quite accurate in identifying a white guy. Female or none white it has major problems.

It needs to be fixed or scrapped.

That said, if it can be got working and you have nothing to hide then what is the problem? It helps catch the bad guy.

Well, if they can improve it or fix it somehow, then we'll see. Technology is a wonderful thing, although I try to keep in mind that it's always fallible - and can be tampered with, hacked, or managed incompetently. There have been so many cases of people whose lives get turned upside-down due to a "computer error."

It seems that there could be enormous potential for abuse here, and that would be my main issue with implementing this kind of technology.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Personally I don't think it should be implemented at all in a free country at any time. Think of a clandestine database somewhere of people that somebody doesn't like. Political opponents maybe?

Remember the removal of Trump's name from the ballots by the very same people? What's going to stop them when facial recognition becomes viable. That would be a socialist Democrats wet dream .

For now, I'm on board to get rid of facial recognition technology. That is until the Socialists decide to turn back to the agendas they always like to Implement on people and suddenly turn favorite for facial recognition.

Save of course for themselves, who probably would gladly exempt themselves from such a technology.

As I mentioned in my previous post, there could be enormous potential for abuse, and that's the main reason for refraining from using this on a widespread level. Perhaps there might be some situations where it might be appropriate. I've heard of some businesses using it with their timecard system to prevent "buddy punching."

Another problem is that some people just have too much faith in technology. I'm reminded of this dialog from an episode of Star Trek

KIRK: This hearing is convened. Stardate 1329.2, on board starship U.S.S. Enterprise. Formal hearings against transport captain Leo Walsh. Start computer.
SPOCK: State your name for the record.
MUDD: Leo Francis Walsh.
COMPUTER: Incorrect.
SPOCK: Your correct name.
MUDD: Gentlemen, surely you're not going to take the word of a soulless mechanical device over that of a real flesh and blood man.
SPOCK: State your correct name for the record.
MUDD: Harry Mudd.
COMPUTER: Incorrect.
MUDD: Harcourt Fenton Mudd.
SPOCK: Any past offenses, Mister Mudd?
MUDD: Of course not. Gentlemen, I'm simply an honest businessman.
COMPUTER: Incorrect.
MUDD: Blast that tin-plated pot.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Facial recognition technology: California lawmakers want to ban it in police body cameras - CNN

We're talkin socialist California politicians here!

Actually I'm all for body cameras on all police officers for obvious reasons.

Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho.

But for what it is, I'm against facial recognition technology in spite of all the positive results I am seeing in this particular case. ;O]

Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

What about you?

You sure do a lot of hating. How's your blood pressure these days?
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Facial recognition technology: California lawmakers want to ban it in police body cameras - CNN

We're talkin socialist California politicians here!

Actually I'm all for body cameras on all police officers for obvious reasons.

Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho.

But for what it is, I'm against facial recognition technology in spite of all the positive results I am seeing in this particular case. ;O]

Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

What about you?

Interesting OP. Although useful there are some potentially scary implications as to how its use will/may evolve. But I have to ask, "what does this have to do with socialism?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Facial recognition technology: California lawmakers want to ban it in police body cameras - CNN

We're talkin socialist California politicians here!

Actually I'm all for body cameras on all police officers for obvious reasons.

Facial recognition technology? I have to agree that's way overboard and horribly dystopian. Of course the Socialists don't like it because they're being 'incriminated' by it. Otherwise I bet they'd be gung-ho.

But for what it is, I'm against facial recognition technology in spite of all the positive results I am seeing in this particular case. ;O]

Recognition technology used randomly in 'fishing trips' should not be in a free Society whatsoever.

What about you?

I read of an officer with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
who was a regular genius for remembering faces.

He would go through mugshots, and remember
face, name, and outstanding warrants.

Over the years he nabbed a number of badguys
just by recognizing them on the street.

If every cop is given this ability, that is a bad thing?
 
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