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Why Darwinism is a saner attitude...

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Ed hominem?

No - if you think evolution is a miracle, you haven't understood it. It would be a miracle if it didn't happen given the right conditions. You also seem to be confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution is not a theory of abiogenesis, it's a theory of how life develops over time, once replicators, with inheritance and variation are present.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
No - if you think evolution is a miracle, you haven't understood it. It would be a miracle if it didn't happen given the right conditions. You also seem to be confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution is not a theory of abiogenesis, it's a theory of how life develops over time, once replicators, with inheritance and variation are present.
Evolution goes down to properties of elements, i.e. Periodic Table. And energy.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Evolution goes down to properties of elements, i.e. Periodic Table. And energy.

Yet more evidence that you don't understand it. Of course, most things in human experience (even your brain and the device you're looking at) are based on elements but that's not the best way to understand higher level systems.

You can get evolution to happen in a virtual environment on a computer. All you need is something that replicates, with inheritance and variation, and some sort of environment that does "selection".
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Too shallow, evolution is too shallow. We know too little.

We know plenty, but you have no wish to learn about it

Fossil evidence
Homology
Biology
Medicine
and Genetics

That's a lot to know.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
We know plenty, but you have no wish to learn about it

Fossil evidence
Homology
Biology
Medicine
and Genetics

That's a lot to know.
All is sketchy, incomplete. as i noted elsewhere I think that Evolution is a part of ongoing creation, it never stopped.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
All is sketchy, incomplete.

This doesn't even mean anything by itself. What do you think is sketchy or incomplete? The evidence? It is neither. The theory? The basic principle is very simple and the detail often complicated but I don't see how it could be described as sketchy or incomplete.

Do you actually know anything at all about evolution?

as i noted elsewhere I think that Evolution is a part of ongoing creation, it never stopped.

Do you have the slightest hint of any reason why anybody should take this belief of yours seriously?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
This doesn't even mean anything by itself. What do you think is sketchy or incomplete? The evidence? It is neither. The theory? The basic principle is very simple and the detail often complicated but I don't see how it could be described as sketchy or incomplete.

Do you actually know anything at all about evolution?



Do you have the slightest hint of any reason why anybody should take this belief of yours seriously?
Whole ignorant world treats 'tumbling' baseless theory of evolution seriously? It is phony by itself. There I s word "mystery" i've seen too often in conjunction with evolution.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Ed hominem? Tell me about atoms properties of atoms in amino acids and why did it came about?

And why do you see that as relevant to evolution?

The properties of atoms in amino acids are determined primarily by the electron energy levels of the molecules in question. If you do a solution to the Schodinger equation for the amino acid in question, you can derive most of the properties of the amino acids. If you th a statistical analysis of groups of such molecules, you can derive the other properties of the amino acid.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Do you actually know anything at all about evolution?
Whole ignorant world treats 'tumbling' baseless theory of evolution seriously? It is phony by itself. There I s word "mystery" i've seen too often in conjunction with evolution.

I'll take that as a 'no'.

Do you actually have anything coherent to say? What on earth is "'tumbling' baseless theory of evolution" supposed to even mean?

If you think there is something wrong with the theory, then say what and, while you're about it, how about explaining why almost everybody who actually studies the subjects disagrees with you and almost all of the people who don't, have an obvious religious vested interest...?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
And why do you see that as relevant to evolution?

The properties of atoms in amino acids are determined primarily by the electron energy levels of the molecules in question. If you do a solution to the Schodinger equation for the amino acid in question, you can derive most of the properties of the amino acids. If you th a statistical analysis of groups of such molecules, you can derive the other properties of the amino acid.
How they came about?, why C is see and not H or He...?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I'll take that as a 'no'.

Do you actually have anything coherent to say? What on earth is "'tumbling' baseless theory of evolution" supposed to even mean?

If you think there is something wrong with the theory, then say what and, while you're about it, how about explaining why almost everybody who actually studies the subjects disagrees with you and almost all of the people who don't, have an obvious religious vested interest...?
An introduction to evolution
Nothing special to know on my level, I have a few problems with it but nothing denies OEC.
 
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