Norway mosque shooting an 'attempted act of terror', police say

[Spirit of Light]

The huge difference you are over looking is the executioner(gov employee) is killing someone legally for their illegal crimes and that someone who murdered another(illegally) has faced his peers and legal system and putting them to death was what his peers and the legal system deemed appropriate.

What's the difference between homicide, murder, and manslaughter? - Murphy Law Office

Luckily for me and other Norwegian Citizens, we do not have the death penalty here, and it will never come. If you kill soomeone on order from someone else "governmental execution" thats even worse, because then it is more people involved in killing.

As you know I am a pacifist and am against wars too, so any killing in my eyes is wrong. And the military is a huge killing machine

 

[sealchan]

I will never agree that killing another human being is the right thing to do, even if they have killed someone.

I would easily state that killing someone with their finger on the trigger as they rotate to spray a crowd of unarmed fellow citizens with bullets from an automatic gun is effective, life-saving justice.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I would easily state that killing someone with their finger on the trigger as they rotate to spray a crowd of unarmed fellow citizens with bullets from an automatic gun is effective, life-saving justice.

As a pacifist i refuse to use any weapons toward others. But i would probably do anything else to stop a person with a gun the way you describe it

 

[We Never Know]

A car accident don't make you a killer. if you shoot someone or put a knif in them and they die, then ou by definition is a killer

Just in case you missed this.....

What? Did you change your mind already?

When asked "Do you think someone that kills someone, regardless of how or reason, is a murderer?"

You replied with "I think i answered that already. If you kill someone then yes you are a murderer. Or should i call it killer."

Now you're saying a car accident doesn't make you a killer.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Just in case you missed this.....

What? Did you change your mind already?

When asked "Do you think someone that kills someone, regardless of how or reason, is a murderer?"

You replied with "I think i answered that already. If you kill someone then yes you are a murderer. Or should i call it killer."

Now you're saying a car accident doesn't make you a killer.

IF you crash on purpose and the other person dies, you are a killer, but if you driving along and suddenly you must avoid something in the street and accidentally crash into a car with no intention to kill then no you are not a killer. But any killing done with the intention to end someone's life makes you a killer.

 

[We Never Know]

Luckily for me and other Norwegian Citizens, we do not have the death penalty here, and it will never come. If you kill soomeone on order from someone else "governmental execution" thats even worse, because then it is more people involved in killing.

As you know I am a pacifist and am against wars too, so any killing in my eyes is wrong. And the military is a huge killing machine

And that's your opinion/belief and I respect that. OTOH there comes a time when we should rid the world of some people that think killing innocent humans is ok.
They show they think it's ok by going on a shooting rampage killing several. It's time to put them down and take the threat away from them ever harming anyone else.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And that's your opinion/belief and I respect that. OTOH there comes a time when we should rid the world of some people that think killing innocent humans is ok.
They show they think it's ok by going on a shooting rampage killing several. It's time to put them down and take the threat away from them ever harming anyone else.

So that make you God, because the only one who can decide if its ok a human being dies is a God or a Buddha, No human being rules over the life of others

 

[We Never Know]

IF you crash on purpose and the other person dies, you are a killer, but if you driving along and suddenly you must avoid something in the street and accidentally crash into a car with no intention to kill then no you are not a killer. But any killing done with the intention to end someone's life makes you a killer.

Ok. Then you changed your original statement(if you look I asked specifically "regardless of how or reason").
Now you are at anyone that kills with intent is a murder/killer.

If you were being held hostage, surely going to be murdered and a swat member took out the assailant holding you hostage to save your life, you would see him as a murderer/killer?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ok. Then you changed your original statement(if you look I asked specifically "regardless of how or reason").
Now you are at anyone that kills with intent is a murder/killer.

If you were being held hostage, surely going to be murdered and a swat member took out the assailant holding you hostage to save your life, you would see him as a murderer/killer?

I would not like that he killed someone, but i can't talk for other than my self. and i say again i am against killing.

 

[We Never Know]

So that make you God, because the only one who can decide if its ok a human being dies is a God or a Buddha, No human being rules over the life of others

IMO there is no evidence for any gods. Therefore we live by man's rules, not a gods rules.

People that only believe in what's right and wrong because of a god base it all on the myth of a nonexistent being.

Humans don't need a god to understand right or wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

I would not like that he killed someone, but i can't talk for other than my self. and i say again i am against killing.

Would you rather he not do his job and let you be killed instead?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

As a Norwegian Buddhist, I can not see any benefit of the death penalty. Why should governmental employees get the right to kill because someone did a crime to others? Yes, it is wrong to kill in any situation. And since this thread is about what happened in my country, i just want to say Norway got rid of the death penalty in about the mid-60s or so. And we have not a lot of killings in this country.
Who going to kill the governmental employee when he/she has killed the murderer? because if the governmental employee kills it means they are up for the same situation too, right? they just killed someone. So no Death peanalty does not work in a democratic country as Norway

You are a Buddhist so I think you would have a hard time understanding justice from a Biblical perspective, but as I mentioned already, the taking of a life by another human being isn't something to be taken lightly. How much do *you* place on the value of a human life? Human life is precious. I know people have a hard time understanding this with all the abortions that take place nowadays. Mark 8:37 says, 'What can a man give exchange for his life?'. This is a valid question. Should someone be imprisoned for years for the robbing of human life? Is that a suitable punishment. No way.

It's strange though and I'm curious. As a Buddhist, don't you believe that energy is simply reborn? As a result, what would be the harm in killing someone who is a murderer?

Messianic.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Would you rather he not do his job and let you be killed instead?

If i get killed its ok

 

[Spirit of Light]

You are a Buddhist so I think you would have a hard time understanding justice from a Biblical perspective, but as I mentioned already, the taking of a life by another human being isn't something to be taken lightly. How much do *you* place on the value of a human life? Human life is precious. I know people have a hard time understanding this with all the abortions that take place nowadays. Mark 8:37 says, 'What can a man give exchange for his life?'. This is a valid question. Should someone be imprisoned for years for the robbing of human life? Is that a suitable punishment. No way.

It's strange though and I'm curious. As a Buddhist, don't you believe that energy is simply reborn? As a result, what would be the harm in killing someone who is a murderer?

Messianic.

If you kill on purpose you will not gain a new life at all when you die from this life. -the reincarnation ends and the soul is destroyed beause the karma killing gives would be to heavy for a being to carry.

 

[SomeRandom]

I get this, and I just replied again to @Amanaki to clarify that I wouldn't advocate for immediate killing of a perpetrator unless there were heavily established justification - overtly-compelling evidence and multiple killings showing consistent danger.

Personally, I would be a lot more okay with a relatively short (maybe 2 years for assessment/appeal of my case) incarceration period, followed by a quick, painless death than I would a 15-20-40 (or more) year span in prison before I was finally (maybe) found innocent. That kind of time irrevocably changes a person, and I don't know that I'd like the person I would become, knowing that I was unjustly locked away by the system and subjected to the conditions of prison for such a length of time. As the world changed around me, and I wasn't able to partake, I could easily see myself coming out of the ordeal a bitter relic. After that short period, if I knew it was to go on longer, and I didn't know whether or not I'd actually be freed, I'd much rather they just get it over with. And I do understand that others may have a different take on it, and want all the chance they could get, regardless the length of time they were looking at incarceration. Maybe it should be left up to the prisoner themselves then?

Hmm, that’s a fair compromise. I do wonder though (since we Aussies don’t have the death penalty either) with the constant complaints of prisoners living on tax payer money, how much is spent on the mountains of legal red tape? Appeals and what not. Isn’t that expensive.
Though I largely agree with you. Having the sword of Damocles, as it were, hanging over your head would certainly trouble me.

The death penalty always did strike me as a tiny bit hypocritical. Like when you were in school and one of the punishments for wagging/cutting class was suspension. Even as a kid you’d be a bit sore about it. You purposely miss class so your punishment is to purposely miss more class lol

But if someone was beyond rehabilitation and their crimes severe, maybe it is better to just remove them altogether

 

[Messianic Israelite]

If you kill on purpose you will not gain a new life at all when you die from this life. -the reincarnation ends and the soul is destroyed beause the karma killing gives would be to heavy for a being to carry.

Hi Amanaki. So even you believe that life has to be given for life taken? That’s interesting. I do wonder though, if someone killed (say) your family, would you be content with them living it up in a lavish rehabilitation facility? Surely there is something wrong with our empathy if we think that allowing a murderer to live is the right decision. And when I talk about empathy I’m referring to the victims families and the dead themselves who have no-one but the living to stand up for them.

Messianic.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hi Amanaki. So even you believe that life has to be given for life taken? That’s interesting. I do wonder though, if someone killed (say) your family, would you be content with them living it up in a lavish rehabilitation facility? Surely there is something wrong with our empathy if we think that allowing a murderer to live is the right decision. And when I talk about empathy I’m referring to the victims families and the dead themselves who have no-one but the living to stand up for them.

Messianic.

To put your question a little different, If someone killed my fianceè, would I want that person dead? The answer to that is no, I would not want that. It is more of a punishment to be in prison then to end the murderer's life. Why? Because if you put them in a cell with only food and nothing else to do, they will have a long time to think and suffer from what they did, if you kill them, how are they going to learn? I can not speak for what others want or should think, but in my view the death penalty is wrong.
Nothing you guys say will make me change that view.

And just before someone asks If someone did kill my fianceè I would be able to forgive them, not the first weeks or first month maybe, but i can forgive.

 

[Road Less Traveled]

So that make you God, because the only one who can decide if its ok a human being dies is a God or a Buddha, No human being rules over the life of others

Did that god or that buddah decide that it was time for the sister to pass on?

 

[Road Less Traveled]

If you kill on purpose you will not gain a new life at all when you die from this life. -the reincarnation ends and the soul is destroyed beause the karma killing gives would be to heavy for a being to carry.

If you believe in reincarnation and karma, would you be able to know if a god or a buddah wrote a killer or murderer’s life up specifically to carry out karmic debts and karmic justice on others?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

When I use the word "people" I'm referring to the general public.
While politicians are people, they are not the general public.

Well, as a member of the blue state of California which is predominantly democrat I've never heard average people here talk about banning guns. In fact, many of us including myself have guns. Our issue is reformatting the process to make it difficult for someone unstable to obtain a gun.