Cigs and Vaping

[kjw47]

Do you have proof of these nonsense claims?

I don't have to prove it. It is fact. Do you live on earth?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even if vaping was not harmful, physically, at all, it still would be a very harmful activity for humans to engage in because it is expensive, and habit-forming, and possibly addictive. It's also unhealthy for a society of humans to this kind of blatant exploitation of human weakness, for profit.

Whatever. Should we quit any hobbies we have that cost money because they can be expensive? Should we not consume foods we enjoy if they have a potential for making us crave more?
Your self-righteous indignation isn't that much different from purity balls and chastity pledges. Sex bothers and scares some people, so no one should be doing it. Vaping bothers some people, so no one should be doing it. Butt out, mind your own business.

 

[kjw47]

I have looked. I even posted a study. What you claim just isn't the case.

Pure darkness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

People are always going to have addictions, but vaping is both cheaper and less harmful than smoking. The point is harm reduction.

In Indiana it would have actually been cheaper for me to smoke. But in California, vaping costs the same as it does in Indiana, but because cigarettes cost way more it is significantly cheaper to vape there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Pure darkness.

One study is more evidence than you've posted.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't have to prove it. It is fact. Do you live on earth?

Yeah, I live on Earth whereas you must live on Bizarro World where making completely outlandish statements like in your post here is acceptable.

You honestly think you can make claims and not have to prove it? I'm just supposed to accept them as fact? Seriously? Astonishing!

 

[PureX]

Its because the constitution has been reading--We the rich will buy your rich elected officials to look the other way while we get away with murder.

The Constitution was written by rich guys who owned slaves and viewed women as chattel. They WERE the government that they established. So it's not surprising that they did not address the problem of undue influence by a moneyed elite in their founding Constitution. They were the moneyed elite. And the moneyed elite have been running this country into the ground ever since, with the exception of that time period after the great depression the the second world war, when the citizenry had finally learned the importance of having each other's backs, and of reigning in the greed and territorial aggression of the rich. Sadly, that generation is gone, now, and they did not teach their hard-earned lessons to their offspring, so we as a people have fallen right back into the same absurd oligarchical nonsense that drove us into a depression and world war to begin with.

 

[PureX]

Whatever. Should we quit any hobbies we have that cost money because they can be expensive? Should we not consume foods we enjoy if they have a potential for making us crave more?

We shoud not produce these things as a marketable commodity. If people really want to harm themselves, they can and they will. But a sane and reasonable society would not be looking for new ways to help them do so, just because someone could get rich off it.

The real puzzle, to me, is why you and so many other Americans can't see that.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

I have seen a lot of commercial/ads that talk about the dangers of vaping, and how unsafe they are ~ but they’re likely sponsored discreetly by the tobacco companies.

I wouldn’t trust in any of the crap personally, or what morons trying to promote products and make $ say.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

The Constitution was written by rich guys who owned slaves and viewed women as chattel. They WERE the government that they established. So it's not surprising that they did not address the problem of undue influence by a moneyed elite in their founding Constitution. They were the moneyed elite. And the moneyed elite have been running this country into the ground ever since, with the exception of that time period after the great depression the the second world war, when the citizenry had finally learned the importance of having each other's backs, and of reigning in the greed and territorial aggression of the rich. Sadly, that generation is gone, now, and they did not teach their hard-earned lessons to their offspring, so we as a people have fallen right back into the same absurd oligarchical nonsense that drove us into a depression and world war to begin with.

And most of the ridiculous constitution was cleverly worded in a way where they can screw with people just about as they please ~ with a bunch of different and open interpretations that they can find useful if pleased.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We shoud not produce these things as a marketable commodity.

Pretty much everything is a marketable commodity.
Or, how about respecting the decisions that adults make? I wouldn't be surprised to learn in the long term that vapes are far less dangerous and harmful to everyone all around that eating big macs.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

We shoud not produce these things as a marketable commodity. If people really want to harm themselves, they can and they will. But a sane and reasonable society would not be looking for new ways to help them do so, just because someone could get rich off it.

The real puzzle, to me, is why you and so many other Americans can't see that.

The medical/healthcare economy must need to function as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And most of the ridiculous constitution was cleverly worded in a way where they can screw with people just about as they please ~ with a bunch of different and open interpretations that they can find useful if pleased.

Since it seems you lacked a history lesson, the Constitution was one of the most progressive and pro-citizen documents made during its time. It wasn't perfect, but freedom of speech and assemble, the separation of church and state, legal rights and protections during criminal proceedings, refusing troop quartering, the right to a militia, those were radical ideas never before bestowed upon a populace before that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The real puzzle, to me, is why you and so many other Americans can't see that.

Because most of us don't see silly conspiracies lurking in the shadows and let adults do their own thing if they aren't harming others. We also realize things like alcohol prohibition was an abysmal failure. Better to regulate and tax it than push it underground.

 

[PureX]

Pretty much everything is a marketable commodity.

Yeah, that needs to stop.

Or, how about respecting the decisions that adults make?

Adults wouldn't commodify poison for fun and profit.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn in the long term that vapes are far less dangerous and harmful to everyone all around than eating big macs.

Is that supposed to be some sort of justification? Because if it is, you REALLY missed the mark!

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Since it seems you lacked a history lesson, the Constitution was one of the most progressive and pro-citizen documents made during its time. It wasn't perfect, but freedom of speech and assemble, the separation of church and state, legal rights and protections during criminal proceedings, refusing troop quartering, the right to a militia, those were radical ideas never before bestowed upon a populace before that.

I understand that ~ and also understand what I said. Both sides.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Adults wouldn't commodify poison for fun and profit.

Isn’t it quite the thing that even after listing all of the dangers, potentially harmful side effects of many different marketed products ~ that many partake anyhow?

In many ways, it’s exploiting the weaknesses of people already knowing many can’t or won’t resist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I understand that ~ and also understand what I said. Both sides.

I don't think you do since you seem to think the Constitution is rubbish and just benefits the rich.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We shoud not produce these things as a marketable commodity. If people really want to harm themselves, they can and they will. But a sane and reasonable society would not be looking for new ways to help them do so, just because someone could get rich off it.

The real puzzle, to me, is why you and so many other Americans can't see that.

Addiction is the answer. Like you I used to smoke. When that nicotine craving kicks in it is very easy to justify smoking. Vaping is probably safer than smoking, it does not seem to be nearly as carcinogenic But it will still cause heart disease. And it is still extremely addictive. Taxation and raising the age to smoke or vape may help reduce the number of victims over the years. Once one starts it can be very hard to quit.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Adults wouldn't commodify poison for fun and profit.

Tylenol is poisonous and deadly in large doses. Water is fatal in large doses. Alcohol is the number two deadly drug, and banning it didn't work. Cigarettes are the number one deadly drug, more so than all others combined, and yet we know banning them won't work.

Is that supposed to be some sort of justification? Because if it is, you REALLY missed the mark!

I'm pointing out your going on about something that hasn't been demonstrated to have great risks, and there are all very well integrated and unquestioned commodities of our culture that are far more dangerous and destructive for everybody in the world, such as massive scale beef farming.
And you seem to miss the point that you should mind your own business and butt out. Crying over adults making an adult choice to ingest something that is low risk is absurd. Go pester a Starbucks or something. People don't realize caffeine is a drug and the world's coffee supply is dwindling.