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What is a loser?

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
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Premium Member
If thinking that everybody is behind bars than it is because of lack being touched by those having successful left the case.

Well, maybe you should get out more than.

Being in such a hopeless state of the fox and the grapes there will be not much hope: and such is called loser, or?

I think if you stop labeling people you'll worry less about what they call you.

Somebody pointed such already out in this tread. One content, even proud of what is actually already gone, decay, such is indeed a loser, whether he sees or not.

Two problems with that that I see:

1. What makes you think you're qualified to decide who is and isn't a loser?

2. Don't you think that the time and effort you waste looking for other people's faults would be better spent working on your own?
 
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Samana Johann

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Two problems with that that I see:
It's ones lose to have a problem with others gain and lose. Why does householder see a problem?
1. What makes you think you're qualified to decide who is and isn't a loser?
One who has wore many shows might know. One knowing just till bars might guess according his views. Certain, if one wouldn't take the non-essencial as essence, essence as non-essence, one could go on and progress.
Such far one can assist, as it was the OPs request. Whether one does or not is the individuals choice.
2. Don't you think that the time and effort you waste looking for other people's faults would be better spent working on your own?
That probable compassioned (of what is praiseworthy), yet sounds in it self hypocratical, doesn't it. Maybe householder reads again through the thread as there are surely valuable things not so fast seen if not very attentive.
Oven one is already gone lost and doesn't recognice that just hanging on a tiny string of preoccupations, ideas, non-essence. The more relaying on it, the more lose once they come to realized as they are.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
It's ones lose to have a problem with others gain and lose. Why does householder see a problem?

Because "householder" is looking.

Maybe someday Label-maker will give it a try.

One who has wore many shows might know.

It doesn't matter how many disguises one has worn if they all included a blindfold.

One knowing just till bars might guess according his views. Certain, if one wouldn't take the non-essencial as essence, essence as non-essence, one could go on and progress.

But if one takes non-sense for sense and sense for non-sense one could just go on and on.

Such far one can assist, as it was the OPs request. Whether one does or not is the individuals choice.

I didn't ask you why you answered the OP, I asked you why you consider yourself so qualified to. Besides, you do something like this in every thread. :D

That probable compassioned (of what is praiseworthy), yet sounds in it self hypocratical, doesn't it.

Yes it does. Most rationalizations do.

Maybe householder reads again through the thread as there are surely valuable things not so fast seen if not very attentive.

Yes, I'm sure it'll all look less arrogant and judgmental on a second go-through. :D

Oven one is already gone lost and doesn't recognice that just hanging on a tiny string of preoccupations, ideas, non-essence. The more relaying on it, the more lose once they come to realized as they are.

Oh no!! Oven one is gone lost????
Why wasn't I informed of this???

Wait, what the hell are we talking about now?
 
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Samana Johann

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Because "householder" is looking.
Looking at things and see essence in not-essence, not-essence in essence, causes problems, by cause. yes.

Maybe someday Label-maker will give it a try.

Not is it, that giving lables is wrong, but giving that what is non-essence the lable essence, essence the lable non-essence, is making one a loser.

It doesn't matter how many disguises one has worn if they all included a blindfold.
The fact wearing disguises, always using avatars to hide, does not mean that all are likewise. And there are those who do no more wear any shoes, abound the use of vehicles and what is not given as well.

But if one takes non-sense for sense and sense for non-sense one could just go on and on.
Indeed, those how do so are destinate for ever again being losers, become another time in a womb, age, get sick and die.

I didn't ask you why you answered the OP, I asked you why you consider yourself so qualified to. Besides, you do something like this in every thread. :D
As told, critic could be very helpful and of huge compassion. Whether one is able or not... ones choice and good to consider is that some benefiting great are not always perceived, do not always give one ways to recognice.

Yes it does. Most rationalizations do.
Accidently is not related to intention it has caused. Reflection on ones own opinions, especially when still hanging on house, is actually seldom of others benefit. And if been cut of the head and thinking because it hasn't fall down yet, doesn't change facts. So always good to check it out well instead running on headless.

Yes, I'm sure it'll all look less arrogant and judgmental on a second go-through. :D
Sure is good if proper proved, investigated and approved by wise. Praise of what is to blame, blame of what is to praise, both leads to hell. AN 4.83: Avannaraha Sutta - Dispraise

Look at the OP, householder. This person got aware of something of essence, yet he seeked out to get approve. While it is of course not smart to seek approve under blind, gifted if getting approved by wise and recognize it at such.

Oh no!! Oven one is gone lost????
Why wasn't I informed of this???

As long as evil has yet to ripen,
the fool mistakes it for honey.
But when that evil ripens, the fool falls into
pain. (do wise, not out of reason, say.)​

Wait, what the hell are we talking about now?

A fool (loser) with a sense of his foolishness (lose) is
— at least to that extent — wise (winner).
But a fool (loser) who thinks himself wise (as winner)
really deserves to be called
a fool.(loser)​
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Looking at things and see essence in not-essence, not-essence in essence, causes problems, by cause. yes.

I can see that.

Not is it, that giving lables is wrong,

Yes, actually it is.

but giving that what is non-essence the lable essence, essence the lable non-essence, is making one a loser.

Yes, but which one?

The fact wearing disguises,

Like a monk's robes for instance?

always using avatars to hide

Avatars are a form of expression. Your's just seems to be saying, "Look at me"!

does not mean that all are likewise. And there are those who do no more wear any shoes,

Because they're not going anywhere.

abound the use of vehicles and what is not given as well.

psssst, the truck that brings supplies to your monastery is a vehicle.

Indeed, those how do so are destinate for ever again being losers, become another time in a womb, age, get sick and die.

Yeah, have fun with that (pssst, might want to check out rule 8: RF Rules)

As told, critic could be very helpful and of huge compassion.

Anyone who gives unsolicited advice, especially after he's been told it isn't welcome, isn't practicing compassion. That's just part of the disguise.

I wonder if it's fooling anyone besides you (or is that good enough?)
Whether one is able or not... ones choice and good to consider is that some benefiting great are not always perceived, do not always give one ways to recognice.
Accidently is not related to intention it has caused. Reflection on ones own opinions, especially when still hanging on house, is actually seldom of others benefit. And if been cut of the head and thinking because it hasn't fall down yet, doesn't change facts. So always good to check it out well instead running on headless.

Dude, are you having some sort of an episode?

Sure is good if proper proved, investigated and approved by wise. Praise of what is to blame, blame of what is to praise, both leads to hell. AN 4.83: Avannaraha Sutta - Dispraise

Again, Rule 8.

Look at the OP, householder. This person got aware of something of essence, yet he seeked out to get approve. While it is of course not smart to seek approve under blind, gifted if getting approved by wise and recognize it at such.

Yes, we could all learn quite a bit from PopeADope (although, of course, not all of us will).


A fool (loser) with a sense of his foolishness (lose) is
— at least to that extent — wise (winner).
But a fool (loser) who thinks himself wise (as winner)​
*cough cough*

really deserves to be called
a fool.(loser)

Couldn't have said it better myself. :thumbsup:
 
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Samana Johann

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I can see that.
The tell as householder sees, is capable to see, right here:

Is the eye and it's objects, form, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the ear and it's objects, sound, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the nose and it's objects, smells, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the tongue and it's objects, tasts, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the body and it's objects, physical touches, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the intellect and it's objects, thoughts and ideas, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Look as it is, householder, and answer like you may be fit.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
The tell as householder sees, is capable to see, right here:

Is the eye and it's objects, form, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the ear and it's objects, sound, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the nose and it's objects, smells, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the tongue and it's objects, tasts, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the body and it's objects, physical touches, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the intellect and it's objects, thoughts and ideas, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Look as it is, householder, and answer like you may be fit.

What I mean't was, I can see you.

Even if you can't.
 

Samana Johann

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As in regard of what householder sees as imagine prophesy:
What I mean't was, I can see you.

Even if you can't.
Answer the question if fit after prove, no need to put one strew man after another and tell things you can see while not there is any prove. After that householder might really be able to see who's/what's behind.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
As in regard of what householder sees as imagine prophesy:

Answer the question if fit after prove, no need to put one strew man after another and tell things you can see while not there is any prove. After that householder might really be able to see who's/what's behind.

Like I said: even if you can't.
 

Samana Johann

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What I mean't was, I can see you.

Even if you can't.
If so, answer as fit: Turn to the eye and an object and prove:

Is the eye and it's objects, form, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the ear and it's objects, sound, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the nose and it's objects, smells, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the tongue and it's objects, tasts, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the body and it's objects, physical touches, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

Is the intellect and it's objects, thoughts and ideas, real, a refuge, constant and worthy to give into, not subject to decay?

If seen of what is a loser, althought surely in hell for a while, after praising what has to be blamed, blamed of what has to be praised... There are some cast off robes and and alms bowl and a hut in the forest. If householder is capable to let go of what is not essence, he may make use of it for and end of lose. (Just to be sure: there wouldn't be truck supplying, and it's not sure that he might gain food all days, not to speak of medicine if sick and he wouldn't be given to ask for any of those things. But one gained a glimpse of essence it wouldn't burden him much, either to live on or to die, as such as fears would have fade).

And nothing to worry, those who see understand why beings are not capable to let go, wouldn't have forgot the burdens they could abound. Sometime they appear for those who would be capable to escape the house on fire.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I can see that.



Yes, actually it is.



Yes, but which one?



Like a monk's robes for instance?



Avatars are a form of expression. Your's just seems to be saying, "Look at me"!



Because they're not going anywhere.



psssst, the truck that brings supplies to your monastery is a vehicle.



Yeah, have fun with that (pssst, might want to check out rule 8: RF Rules)



Anyone who gives unsolicited advice, especially after he's been told it isn't welcome, isn't practicing compassion. That's just part of the disguise.

I wonder if it's fooling anyone besides you (or is that good enough?)


Dude, are you having some sort of an episode?



Again, Rule 8.



Yes, we could all learn quite a bit from PopeADope (although, of course, not all of us will).



*cough cough*



Couldn't have said it better myself. :thumbsup:
Thanks! Lol! :D
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I do volunteer work, feed people, give to beggars, offer friendship to people who have none, clean up a crippled person's room and take out his trash, pray for people... I hope I'm not a total leech. Besides, I'm looking for work but my work history sucks and I just got my ID back and I have passionate initiative, it's just I'm not qualified for the jobs I want like being a history, philosophy, or religion teacher or politician...or doctor lol

I tried college. It drove me nuts
To me, a loser is a person with no drive or initiative who leeches off of others.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I do volunteer work, feed people, give to beggars, offer friendship to people who have none, clean up a crippled person's room and take out his trash, pray for people... I hope I'm not a total leech. Besides, I'm looking for work but my work history sucks and I just got my ID back and I have passionate initiative, it's just I'm not qualified for the jobs I want like being a history, philosophy, or religion teacher or politician...or doctor lol

I tried college. It drove me nuts
I don't view you as a loser, no.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
There are some cast off robes and and alms bowl and a hut in the forest. If householder is capable to let go of what is not essence, he may make use of it for and end of lose. (Just to be sure: there wouldn't be truck supplying, and it's not sure that he might gain food all days, not to speak of medicine if sick and he wouldn't be given to ask for any of those things.

Been there, done that. Got the sackcloth.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Can't say this doesn't bother me:

"On seeing him, the thought occurred to him, 'Who is this leper prowling about?' Spitting and disrespectfully turning his left side to Tagarasikhin the Private Buddha, he left. As a result of that deed he boiled in hell for many years, many hundreds of years, many thousands of years, many hundreds of thousands of years. And then as a remainder of the result of that deed he became a poor, miserable wretch of a person in this very Rājagaha"

Such an enormous punishment.

Other than that, good story/parable
 
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