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White Supremacist Tucker Carlson says White Supremacy is a hoax.

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I am not seeing anything here. I don’t see that he targeted border security, or government officials, or supporters of one political party, or did anything inspired by antifa or any politician or political ideology.
You're right, it's not as hard and fast as it was with the guy in El Paso, but he does seem to have been a far-left revolutionary. Why he chose to shoot a bunch of people in Dayton is still a question that needs to be answered, and I have no doubt we'll uncover more information in the days and weeks ahead, but it would seem to me at this point in time that his violent political ideology fueled his interest in firearms and at the very least contributed to his motivation to launch an attack.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I was also going to say that I find it strange when Americans claim that “white supremacy” and racism are nothing more than “dog whistles,” given the institutionalization of slavery, white supremacy and racism that have been a part of American history for so long.
The difference is that the words "white supremacist" and "racist" have been thrown around so flippantly and commonly, they're starting to lose their meaning and their impact. When people say for the 80 millionth time that Trump is racist, your average American will just shrug and say "What else is new? We've been hearing this non-stop every day for the past 4 years." It's turning into the boy who cried wolf. It seems like every single person right of the political center has been called a racist or white supremacist at least half a dozen times in the last several years. When the terms "racist", "far right" and "white supremacist" become the go-to smear, we risk the actual racists and white supremacists going unnoticed until it's too late. Heck, Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard have been called right-wing.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The difference is that the words "white supremacist" and "racist" have been thrown around so flippantly and commonly, they're starting to lose their meaning and their impact. When people say for the 80 millionth time that Trump is racist, your average American will just shrug
In fact I feel that those words are not used often enough. We should not hesitate to call racism racism and call a white supremacist a white supremacist. I think that every time we mention the current President we should do so like this: “White supremacist Donald Trump went golfing today” etc.

And as for the average American, just over 50 agree that white supremacist Donald Trump is a racist.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
In fact I feel that those words are not used often enough. We should not hesitate to call racism racism and call a white supremacist a white supremacist. I think that every time we mention the current President we should do so like this: “White supremacist Donald Trump went golfing today” etc.

And as for the average American, just over 50 agree that white supremacist Donald Trump is a racist.
Doing so won't convince more people that you're right. If you say the word "spoon" over and over, the word loses its meaning. The same thing happens with the words "racist" and "white supremacist".

Semantic satiation - Wikipedia
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I was also going to say that I find it strange when Americans claim that “white supremacy” and racism are nothing more than “dog whistles,” given the institutionalization of slavery, white supremacy and racism that have been a part of American history for so long.
White supremacy & racism are real things.
But they're also politically useful things which are
misrepresented...hence the "dog whistle" tag.

Btw, I use that quoted term only because it feels
like I'm mocking its over-use.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In fact I feel that those words are not used often enough. We should not hesitate to call racism racism and call a white supremacist a white supremacist.
But you appear to wield "white supremacist" as an insult rather than an accurate description.
This Carlson fellow appears to be a jerk, but you've not made your case.
I looked at the Media Matters attempt, & found it sorely lacking.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
White Supremacist Tucker Carlson says White Supremacy is a hoax.

It looks like the topic of this discussion is who gets to determine who is a 'White Supremacist'.

In my opinion the OP sounds like overemotional leftism.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Tucker Carlson tells his viewers that the country's white supremacy problem 'is a hoax' - CNN



Tucker Carson has a long history of making racist comments in his show, lamented demographic change like it is a tragedy that more people of colour might come to live in the U.S. He has clearly shown himself to be a white supremacist. These comments are disgusting and dangerous.
Really, Carlson is a white supremacist ? You of course have evidence to back that claim up, please show it to me.

I would like to see this audit you speak of as well.

Is a swastika painted on a synagogue wall a white supremacist crime ?

I would also like to see the criteria used by this group to identify these crimes,

Thanks.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
In fact I feel that those words are not used often enough. We should not hesitate to call racism racism and call a white supremacist a white supremacist. I think that every time we mention the current President we should do so like this: “White supremacist Donald Trump went golfing today” etc.
And as for the average American, just over 50 agree that white supremacist Donald Trump is a racist.

I fully encourage you and others opposed to Trump to do this up until election day, do it loud and proud and at every opportunity.
Remember Fritz Hippler's take on the secret of propaganda:
"the secret of propaganda is to simplify complex or complicated things to make them as simple as possible, as simple that even the less ingenious men can understand what I mean. Simplify, and then if you have found the form which tells a complicated thing in the simplest way, when you find this form then secondly repeat it, repeat it every day. Simplify and the repetition, that is the secret of modern propaganda"
 

ecco

Veteran Member
According to FBI hate crime statics regarding reported incidents of racially motivated hate crimes perpetrated in 2017, there were 2,013 reported incidents of anti-African American hate crimes, 427 reported incidents of anti-Hispanic hate crimes, 102 reported incidents of anti-Arab hate crimes, 938 reported incidents of anti-Jew hate crimes, and 273 incidents of anti-Islamic hate crimes.

This means, supposing there is one individual white supremacist for each racially motivated hate crime perpetrated each year, there'd be fewer than 4,000 White Supremacists out of 300 million persons in America. Hence, 99.998 percent of the population are not white supremacists.

In conclusion, white supremacist are a statistically insignificant portion of the U.S. population.
Not only that but non-Whites commit hate crimes at a disproportionate rate. I think Whites make up ~%76 of the population and commit about half the so called "hate crimes", that means ~%26 non-Whites commit the other half.
Source? Or are we just supposed to go with your thinking?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
According to his Twitter history, he very well could have been. I might even be so willing as to say that it's overwhelmingly likely. https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

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So make of that what you will, but I think he was in fact motivated by far-left ideologies. We'll have to wait and see if we get anything more definitive, but for now I'd say this is fairly conclusive.


Fairly conclusive, you say.

OPINION


Dayton shooter Connor Betts may be antifa’s first mass killer
By Andy Ngo

August 6, 2019 | 7:24pm | Updated
You quote an opinion piece by Andy Cuong Ngo, a conservative American journalist published in a Right Wing Rag, the New York Post and you come to the conclusion that the shooter "was in fact motivated by far-left ideologies".

Read up on your source here...
Andy Ngo - Wikipedia

He is more than biased.

In any case, does his opinion, or yours, explain why Betts killed his sister? Was she a right-wing extremist?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I think Whites make up ~%76 of the population and commit about half the so called "hate crimes", that means ~%26 non-Whites commit the other half.

Source? Or are we just supposed to go with your thinking?

I fully expect for some to claim that I am lying and that is encouraged

What you mean is you fully expect to continually post made-up stuff and when questioned, duck and dodge.

We have all seen it before and it goes directly to your credibility and ethics.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
But you appear to wield "white supremacist" as an insult rather than an accurate description.
This Carlson fellow appears to be a jerk, but you've not made your case.
I looked at the Media Matters attempt, & found it sorely lacking.
No. I mean it to describe someone who believes that “whites” are superior.

I don’t have time right now, but there is lots of evidence to show this applies to Carlson. I will come back to this later.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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