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Science ... NOT God ...

pearl

Well-Known Member
To see a contradiction between faith and science is false, it assumes religion presents a version of outdated science, when in fact all too many people who claim a high level of knowledge in the field of science have little knowledge in Biblical faith beyond that of a child. Aquinas puts it that one should 'not try to defend the Christian faith with arguments that make it ridiculous, 'irrisio infidelium, the mockery of unbelievers, because they are in obvious contradiction with reason.'
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Why do most atheists respect science over religion?
Here's why:
I love this video.

The decline in Western religion can be largely attributed to just one thing -
wealth. You can't see church pedophiles impacting attendance graphs,
and the basic science of evolution hasn't changed in 150 years.

The bible doesn't engage questions of how things work. Galileo said
"the bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
How do you know? Does anybody have any actual statistics? I'm guessing that a lot of atheists don't respect religion, so it might be a reasonable guess that most respect science over religion.



Nobody needs an excuse to not accept religions.

I don't really see how science can be used as an argument against religion in general. Of course it's an argument against the science denying cults like creationism but more generally science isn't all that relevant - the total lack of any reason to take any of the religions seriously is good enough grounds to not accept them.

Don't trigger me. :D Wait, you did it! ;)

You don't hold reason over any other human. I accept that according to how you combine your accepted precepts, that religion does't make sense to you. But please don't project that onto other humans, because there is no single, universal, uniform or what ever version of reason or indeed accepted precepts.
So if you want to give reason, logic, evidence and what not for that, I can already falsify that and here is the actual falsification: No! I can do it differently than you and we can both get away with be different in a limited sense.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I certainly hold to the point of the presentation: That science brought us much more than religion ever has ... or will.

As far as the details, I'm interested in factual errors you may have caught.

Yes, in some sense. But that this matters to you, is subjective to you and you don't speak for an "us", so keep me out of it.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Bulloop, some atheist respect science for explaining the real world while religion disrespect science because it interferes with their thousands of years old fairy stories.

The word "real" is not objective. It has no objective referent. You can't see it or any other version of external sensation. It is not perceptual and what not. It is a subjective belief in your head.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Don't trigger me. :D Wait, you did it! ;)

You don't hold reason over any other human. I accept that according to how you combine your accepted precepts, that religion does't make sense to you. But please don't project that onto other humans, because there is no single, universal, uniform or what ever version of reason or indeed accepted precepts.
So if you want to give reason, logic, evidence and what not for that, I can already falsify that and here is the actual falsification: No! I can do it differently than you and we can both get away with be different in a limited sense.

:confused: o_O :) Word salad - yum.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
:confused: o_O :) Word salad - yum.

Like your ability to reason.
I accept that you use emotions, because that works for you, but that is not a reasoned argument.

If that was so then "I love God" is a reasoned argument for the existence of God. If you want to argue in favor of reason, using emotions might not be the way to go.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
The word "real" is not objective. It has no objective referent.

The reference is empirical reality.
You differentiate was is actually real and what not, by measuring or otherwise observing its manifestation in empirical reality in empirical ways.

It's the only means we have to differentiate the real from the not-real.

You can't see it or any other version of external sensation. It is not perceptual and what not. It is a subjective belief in your head.

My keys being real, is not just my opinion.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Science matters to anyone.
Science is the most efficient way of how we know and learn about the world around us.

And that's not an opinion.

Well, if you mean hard science, soft science(including history), humanities, math and philosophy, then yes. But you are of another culture, so you use the word science differently and therefore you control the word. Well, you don't. Nor do I, I am just of another culture, when it comes to science.
So relativism for the world :D
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
The reference is empirical reality.
You differentiate was is actually real and what not, by measuring or otherwise observing its manifestation in empirical reality in empirical ways.

It's the only means we have to differentiate the real from the not-real.



My keys being real, is not just my opinion.

Yes, it is. The word "real" has no objective referent.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The word "real" is not objective. It has no objective referent. You can't see it or any other version of external sensation. It is not perceptual and what not. It is a subjective belief in your head.

Real : actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.

I think the definition says it is completely objective
 
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