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One atheist’s idea on how to prevent evil

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I have an atheist poster on my forum who says it is god’s fault there is evil because god, if he exists, makes evil choices available to humans.

Atheist: Any being who would make evil choices available would be an evil being. Therefore, if god exists, god is to blame for evil, not humans.

He says that god could arrange it so only good choices are available for people to make and that would prevent evil.

So I asked him to explain precisely how God could make only good choices available to humans and I asked him to explain HOW this would play out in the real world we live in. Below is his answer:

Atheist: Try having a real omnipotent god who could see to that.

As you can see he could not answer HOW a real omnipotent God could make only good choices available to humans.
I have asked him three or four times and still no answer.

How could an omnipotent God make only good choices available to humans? Any ideas?
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Simple. It a divine It did exist, and It wanted humanity to be good, then It would have made us all good people.
- Get angry? Nah.
- Use a knife or gun to eliminate an opponent? Are you crazy? Why would I want to hurt someone?
- I can’t flirt with him. He’s stunningly handsome, but he’s married. Pass.
- Drugs? No thanks.

QED.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
He says that god could arrange it so only good choices are available for people to make and that would prevent evil.

So I asked him to explain precisely how God could make only good choices available to humans and I asked him to explain HOW this would play out in the real world we live in. Below is his answer:

Atheist: Try having a real omnipotent god who could see to that.

As you can see he could not answer HOW a real omnipotent God could make only good choices available to humans.
I have asked him three or four times and still no answer.

How could an omnipotent God make only good choices available to humans? Any ideas?
Why do you think that just because god, being omnipotent and all, is capable of making only good choices available, your atheist, or anyone else, would necessarily know how he'd do it?

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We Never Know

No Slack
I have an atheist poster on my forum who says it is god’s fault there is evil because god, if he exists, makes evil choices available to humans.

Atheist: Any being who would make evil choices available would be an evil being. Therefore, if god exists, god is to blame for evil, not humans.

He says that god could arrange it so only good choices are available for people to make and that would prevent evil.

So I asked him to explain precisely how God could make only good choices available to humans and I asked him to explain HOW this would play out in the real world we live in. Below is his answer:

Atheist: Try having a real omnipotent god who could see to that.

As you can see he could not answer HOW a real omnipotent God could make only good choices available to humans.
I have asked him three or four times and still no answer.

How could an omnipotent God make only good choices available to humans? Any ideas?

What qualifies as evil?
If christians, atheists, muslims, i.e. believers and non-belivers do evil, is that evidence anyone can be evil regardless of their beliefs or lack of belief?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That would require taking away our free will to choose.
Do you feel like you have no free will when you don't have the urge or thought to do evil? Our actions in relation to morality is far more complex than a simply either-or. We have an entire rainbow and beyond of interactions to choose from.
But, that is, assuming free will exists. Our will is constrained to the point it can't be said to be free. It needs another word.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why do you think that just because god, being omnipotent and all, is capable of making only good choices available, your atheist, or anyone else, would necessarily know how he'd do it?.
If he cannot tell me how God could do it then he does not have an argument.
He can't just say god can do it because god is omnipotent. That is dumb.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What qualifies as evil?
If christians, atheists, muslims, i.e. believers and non-belivers do evil, is that evidence anyone can be evil regardless of their beliefs or lack of belief?
By evil, I think he means acts that hurt other people, like murder and rape.
Yes, anyone can be evil regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The wages of sin is death. Therefore, to remove death you have to remove sin, Sin is the transgression of the law of God. Sin begins when a person desires what is unlawful.
Death isn't really related to this. The goal isn't getting rid of death, it's getting rid of our ability and desire to do evil. It wouldn't really be much if god made us all highly empathetic towards each other. Serial Killers probably wouldn't happen again if that were to happen. War would be over.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That would require taking away our free will to choose.
Free will is already illusory with an omnipotent, omnipresent god. Because you cannot choose against the absolute knowledge of your path your creator (intentionally or unintentionally) set you upon. What you were going to 'choose' was already determined long before you existed. You are simply going through the motions pre-ordained.
 
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