Audie
Veteran Member
Substance do not mean truth
'there is no substance that Harry Potter books exist' is obviously wrong
Even a false argument has substance
As long as you stick to meaningless
statements you can never be obviously wrong.
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Substance do not mean truth
'there is no substance that Harry Potter books exist' is obviously wrong
Even a false argument has substance
If Jesus is still alive why did he disappear up to heaven, that wasn't very clever of him, if he expected people to be his followers?
One cannot be absolutely sure no god of any sort exists somewhere. However, all the ones followed by humans appear to be their own creations as they are less than credible like the Biblical deity....
You sound more like an atheist, not agnostic.
That being said, the 'morality argument' against my beliefs would seem to be self refuting.
As long as you stick to meaningless
statements you can never be obviously wrong.
True "diversity of views" isn't wrong. What's awry in adherence to something like The Bible is that a person isn't entirely utilizing their own moral/situational viewpoints to come to their position(s). The starting point is "The Bible" and so the diversity of views you're going to get is decidedly cut down by large margins - and you're definitely not always going to get "what the people think." You're going to get:How is a diversity of views wrong
Jesus is coming back but he's been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12. His new name is William Alan Treotschel. Revelation 3:12. This time, he will die by bursting into flames. Ezekiel 28:18-19.Yet, as the Bible predicted, Israel is a nation again and never has a nation of people been dispersed and maintained customs and language.
But you are right Revelation, particularly, is difficult to decipher. But Jesus IS coming back!
No you disprove that
True "diversity of views" isn't wrong. What's awry in adherence to something like The Bible is that a person isn't entirely utilizing their own moral/situational viewpoints to come to their position(s). The starting point is "The Bible" and so the diversity of views you're going to get is decidedly cut down by large margins - and you're definitely not always going to get "what the people think." You're going to get:
This is all counter-productive to what should be an organic and more fluid shaping of our moral landscape as a society. We don't get "what is best" for the people at large... we get from a lot of people what "The Bible" (sort of) prescribes is best - based on 2,000+ year old reasoning, plus whatever concessions the person is willing to make so that they can get versions of their views across while still feeling like "A Good Christian."
- "What The Bible thinks"
- "What I've retro-fitted my views to in order to comport with The Bible"
- "What I think, but can only justify using various ambiguous passages in The Bible, and haven't really thought about otherwise."
Yep, and the agenda for homosexuals is to either kick it to the curb or twist the scriptures so that they approve of, rather than condemn, homosexual liaisons
Those who have studied the Bible understand that the end won't come until various signs are first seen. Signs such as the 3rd Jewish Temple being built, the appearance of the antichrist, and the Gospel being preached unto the whole world. Those haven't happened yet. You knew all this before you wrote your 'dumb end timer's' rant above, right?
The scriptures show what God is thinking and what he approves or disapproves of in countless instances.
Here's help for the confused:
Because He is alive and because Israel is a country and because the statistical probabilities that Jesus fulfilled just 8 of more than 2 dozen prophetic declaration is so astronomically impossible as to dictate there is a higher power than your opinion.
You are absolutely right. But does it have to be that way?The Bible can be interpreted in so many ways to suit a person's take on their particular brand of faith. Years ago when I was young I heard it was predicted in that book the UK would never join the EU, WHOOPS they got that wrong.
The end timers have been predicting the end is nigh since Jesus died, no doubt they will be doing so 2000 years hence if religion is still on some folk's agender.
Some people claim to know exactly what god is thinking, strangely enough, its thoughts are their thoughts and they are in total agreement! My late mother-in-law knew exactly what god thought on every topic, particularly which TV programmes to watch and the clothes it deemed suitable to wear.
The book of Revelation, in particular, is grist to the mill of those whose vivid imaginations know no bounds.
You are absolutely right. But does it have to be that way?
I don't think there is much interpretation required to understand your post. It's pretty straight forward, uses simple grammar, and not too many big words. I think it fair to say that you meant what you said and said what your meant.
I would have to say this reply is the same way. I'm not sure how it could be construed in any other way than that I'm simply saying your post and my reply don't need to be interpreted all. Both simply mean what they say.
Could it be that we place too much emphasis on the whole idea that the Bible needs to be interpreted at all? I think the experts say it's written to an 8th grade level, so it can't be that hard to understand.
I think the problem comes when someone has a preconceived idea, e.g. Jesus is God, and then they have to make the scriptures say that whether it actually does or doesn't say that. That's when things can get creative.
What you called poesy is actually called figures of speech. We use figures of speech to draw attention to some point or another, they emphasize a point the writer is trying to make. I think it fair to say that whenever something that is written or spoken can not be taken literally it is a figure of speech. I could say, "the ground is dry", or if I really wanted to make a point as to just how dry it is, I might say, "the ground is thirsty." Figures of speech are a scholarly study in themselves. The scriptures make liberal use of them, so it helps to have some understanding of them. There are over 200 different types of figures of speech used in the scriptures.Trouble is, if it actually means what it says...allowing
for a tinge of poesy like that jesus is a door... then
the whole thing is really a lot of fluffed up bs.
Which conclusion many of us reached long ago anyhow.
People say it means different things, but its not intended to be interpreted in such widely diverse ways. Is written to be followed, but that is not what we use it for. Often the context is missing, and without context meaning can be different things. Some people substitute in life experience, and that helps. Some are sleuths. Some are conniving manipulators who just want an easy life at the expense of others if necessary.The Bible can be interpreted in so many ways to suit a person's take on their particular brand of faith. Years ago when I was young I heard it was predicted in that book the UK would never join the EU, WHOOPS they got that wrong.
In my experience end times interpretations are started for malicious reasons. If you can ever find who originates them, I think you'll find malicious intentions.The end timers have been predicting the end is nigh since Jesus died, no doubt they will be doing so 2000 years hence if religion is still on some folk's agender.
Some people claim to know exactly what god is thinking, strangely enough, its thoughts are their thoughts and they are in total agreement! My late mother-in-law knew exactly what god thought on every topic, particularly which TV programmes to watch and the clothes it deemed suitable to wear.
The book of Revelation, in particular, is grist to the mill of those whose vivid imaginations know no bounds.
Not really - the were known to be prophetic by the Jewish sages before it happenedAll this prophecy is only understood retrospectively and ONLY by insisting that these passages are about Jesus and no one else according to personal interpretation.
Not really - the were known to be prophetic by the Jewish sages before it happened
It is a sign of your moral degradation that you think a person should be executed for their beliefs under any circumstanceTherefore, too conclude.
Anyone who maake such false predictions, are not speaking in the Name of God.
Such a person should actually be executed, and you should not be scared of them.
Everyone interprets the Book of Revelation differently. This book gives a Baha'i interpretation:Here's help for the confused:
Your question actually demonstrate what Atheism is all about.If Jesus is still alive why did he disappear up to heaven, that wasn't very clever of him, if he expected people to be his followers?
Nope,It is a sign of your moral degradation that you think a person should be executed for their beliefs under any circumstance